In my country a cash in hand job is not tax fraud on it's own.

What makes it fraud is when you don't report that income to the tax authority.

He can hire you as casual labour and pay you from petty cash if he wants. It's so funny that you're cool to break the law (which you aren't unless YOU don't claim it on your taxes), but you're warning everyone else now that experts and friends have advised you (poorly, so I'm pretty confident you just had a couple random friends say it was sketchy - no professionals) it's illegal so you're putting him on blast ...funny.

I will be asking for legal advice about paying my own taxes through HMRC. I really want to make sure I'm not in the red

Hm, reading the title, I definitely thought the story would be different.

I've never done a cash in handed job before so this sort of thing is new to me

Accepting a cash job isn't fraud. Not paying Taxes on it is fraud.

However, working for less than minimum wage is illegal almost everywhere. I suggest you quit the job immediately unless they give you an immediate pay increase to match the laws in your area, and track your earnings so you can claim it as income at the end of the year.

That sounds like a plan. If I can get them to increase it yo 57 per shift and I claim tax on it myself I might be okay. If not then I'm out.

I hope you made good money for your cash hand jobs

It's my 1st one and there's an update.

https://preview.redd.it/9sg8sz5bcy6a1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fa031df17f0de0cd26690859f1b9de4146f9d49e

Did it take a while or was it pretty quick?

It was pretty quick. Because I'm not "working a lot of hours" I "don't need to be on a payroll". Someone at my main job is working 8 hours (4 hours less then this side job) and they are on a payroll. It can't be legal what this place is doing.

Just take the cash and relax. There’s absolutely nothing abnormal about this.

If you’re American, it isn’t tax fraud as long as you report your income honestly. If you really have to work there and don’t have an alternative, then keep careful records of what you are paid, and just report that on your tax forms - the fraud comes when people are paid cash or run a cash business and then don’t report most of it and instead report an income that’s much lower than they really made.

I've already walked away after they gave me lip. I told them my concerns and they didn't care. So it's okay for me to fet thrown under the bus if anything goes wrong.

Where do you live?

If you're in the US it's completely legal. It's your job to pay your taxes. You're a contractor at this point

UK. From what I found out its illegal to take cash in hand jobs unless the employer deducts tax from it themselves.

But you won’t be in trouble, just as long as you fairly report and pay taxes on the cash you actually got from them. And if the company is committing tax fraud, they certainly won’t want to attract attention by snitching on you.

Either way there's no evidence of my payment, it's below nmw and they have a chappy attitude to me for raising my concerns about breaking the law that could get ME into trouble. I was gonna leave anyway after that text.

8 hours is a long time for a cash hand job. Did you take breaks at all or was it just 8 hours straight?

I wasn't clear enough. The person I mentioned works 8 hours at my main job. My side job was 4-10:45 with a 15 minute break which I took at random. The 2 days I worked totaled to13.5 hours. So I was Paid roughly for 2 out of those hours (which I will be giving back)

That's fair, although almost 7 hours is an awful long time to give hand jobs. On average how many would you say you gave per day?

Oh very funny -_-

Unless you're making an obscene amount of money, fuck it take the cash. I'm sure the UK has some checks like the US, banks have to report over 600$ in deposits. If your getting paid on cash, and only spend in cash... You're fine.

I mean unless you go spreading it all over the internet.

That's the problem. If the tax man don't see it he will ask why I'm getting so much money and not paying for it when I get found out.

Homie was pushing this for a minute I hope you reread your replies lol

Yeah... I noticed... besides I don't do hand jobs when I have a mouth lol

Epic response why hurt the shoulder huh?

Because I fell off my bike? Wait is this another funny q?

Lmao no I'm saying why hurt your shoulder giving hand jobs when you can just use your mouth instead, like you implied

This thread has me cracking up

Oh now I get it lol

Good luck! Make sure to get a good rate for any future hand jobs

Prostitution is illegal in the US

And the UK. Legal in Amsterdam though

OP should try moving to Amsterdam.

I'm good. Im a home bird. I like to stay in the area I was born in.

Then don't let the tax man see it

Nothing gets passed the tax man. Ever

LMFAOO IM SCREAMING

Highly doubt the IRS comes after you for not reporting less than a minimum wage salary at a part time position. Especially not for a 5 year sentence.

I still don't really want to take chances. HMRC and IRS may have different rules with this sort of thing and one could be more harsh than the other. From what I heard, someone'ssmoother was caught doing it and was sent to the slammer.

Sure I am not telling you to do this. But you can report the income yourself if the place doesn't automatically subtract it if you want to cover your own bases. It's not a crime to do work for cash and it isn't your responsibility to ensure your employer is paying social security for you or anything.

I could do that actually. However I did get a text from them saying I'd be on the payroll. So I'll have to see how that goes. If they don't deduct tax then i could report it myself. But they better pay the NMW since the money i get will be on record.

I was wondering how long it was going to take OP to realize what you were saying. 😂😂

Op they’re making fun of you for saying handjob.

Damn, the hand job must be hard. Do you work daily?

Omg. The worry over this tribal thing is ridiculous. IRS would never came after you. They would never have know. Do you know how many illegal immigrants do this every day?

Imagine being upset you’d be committing tax fraud lol. The greedy government doesn’t need any more money.

Everyone knows that but if we refuse to pay to live in our own country we either get put in prison or kicked out. Really sucks

Fair enough but if I were in your shoes I would have kept my lips sealed.

Well let's see what happens Friday. If nothing improves, I walk

Seems like you’d need some sort of hazard pay for that long lasting of a cash hand job.

I came here to read about your handjob that was a mistake. All I came away with was a very poorly-punctuated story in which you claimed to not know that not paying taxes is illegal...

Omg this isn't a sex story dude...

You can work cash in hand but it’s up to you to claim your own taxes.

I worked a cash job(warehouse) eight years back for a year and half and the first three months I didn’t claim to help me get back on track to get a new apartment faster than after I did claim did taxes never came back to haunt me. I know so many people who don’t claim tips and only claim taxes on their bartending jobs and no clue to this day how the government isn’t like we know you can’t survive on less than minimum wage and look into it (Canada)

Due to your poor punctuation, it reads like it's supposed to be one.

Seriously why do people assume the wrong thing? It's a story. Not an essay

Doesn't need to be an essay, but if the casual reader (read: redditor) can't tell whether you're talking about red flags for a 'cash-in-hand' job or accepting cash in hand for a hand job, you're not communicating well.

It's not an assumption, it's just a hole left behind due to your communication "style".