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obscureferences t1_jbg87se wrote

Reply to comment by saliczar in TIL that a 26-story skyscraper pig farm was built in China's Hubei province, and has the capacity to slaughter 1.2 million pigs a year. by DukeMaximum

I won't, but by that time I doubt they'll let me choose.

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DryCoughski t1_jbh4btl wrote

Why not?

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obscureferences t1_jbhjvci wrote

Because hypocrites love double standards. Vegans get options according to their preferences, but as soon as it's a question of my preference they won't tolerate it at all. Just look at the response already.

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DryCoughski t1_jbhkfkm wrote

I meant why won't you switch?

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obscureferences t1_jbi6jos wrote

Oh, because I prefer meat from a slain animal. That's it really.

Objectively speaking it's no less valid than wanting meat from a fake animal. It's a distant, intangible, subjectively moral, but I bet as soon as the vegans have the high ground they'll pull up the ladder and demand better reasons than the same ones they've been using the entire time.

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DryCoughski t1_jbi7fe1 wrote

Does it matter to you how the animal lived or the manner in which it was killed?

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OkThereBro t1_jbiuflm wrote

Seeing videos of pig farms was eye opening for me. I stopped eating pork at first out of pure disgust.

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obscureferences t1_jbld1hj wrote

Yes, I prefer if it lives well fed and free ranging, while still protected from wild animals, disease, and the like. I also prefer it to be killed in the most humane way possible.

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DryCoughski t1_jbldvdr wrote

Ok fair enough, same as me. I don't have a problem with eating meat as long as the animal has been treated well and killed humanely.

My only other question is; if lab-grown meat was indistinguishable from the meat of a slain animal, what reason would you have to pick the latter?

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obscureferences t1_jbli3e6 wrote

If you could choose between drinking crystal clear glacial water, or water distilled from the piss of a public urinal, would you have a preference?

Even if the results are indistinguishable, the means still matter.

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DryCoughski t1_jbljg8u wrote

Haha interesting comparison. Honestly, if I was unaware of the means and the results were indistinguishable, I wouldn't care. Even if I was aware, it feels like a pretty low psychological hurdle to get over. Even more so if extracting spring water was fucking the planet up.

Is there any benefit to distilling the public's piss though? In the same way that there's a benefit to removing the enormous amount greenhouse gas emission that livestock farming produces?

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obscureferences t1_jblploy wrote

There doesn't have to be. This is what I mean, preference is what matters, since even the facts mattering is a matter of preference.

If vegans could be catered to simply because of their feelings, like they were for the longest time and will be until the great greenhouse benefit kicks in, I should be as well, no practical benefit required.

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DryCoughski t1_jblqrjv wrote

This is where you and I part ways. I don't agree with everything vegans say/do, but I'm 100% behind making food consumption sustainable and as low-impact on the planet as possible.

If the end product of that method is indistinguishable from the method that is objectively bad for the planet, I can't understand or agree with choosing the worse one, simply because you feel your "preference" has been taken away.

I don't mean to sound harsh, but it sounds incredibly selfish and short-sighted when you're effectively losing nothing except the choice to choose the harmful method.

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obscureferences t1_jbm12n1 wrote

I'm not choosing it because it's harmful, and if you keep objectivity you can see how it's unfair to judge so harshly on preference alone.

I could think up some selfless reasons but the fact remains I shouldn't have to. I shouldn't need to justify a freedom to have it. You should understand the ability to choose is worth defending in itself, even if you wouldn't make the same choice.

Selfish is dictating your preference is the only acceptable one.

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DryCoughski t1_jbm2n7q wrote

If you choose to steal something rather than pay for it with your own money, even though you don't need to, is that choice something you'd be able to justify? Is that a freedom you should be allowed to exercise even though it harms greater society?

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OkThereBro t1_jbiu3ik wrote

You talk about vegans like they're all the same. Every vegan I've met had been very rational and respectful. Forcing or judging others for their behavior is stupid and if people have don't that to you then I could understand why you feel the way you do. But those people where just assholes, not just "vegans".

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obscureferences t1_jblbply wrote

I didn't have a better word for the group. What would you call people who have a problem with you eating produce specifically because it involves animal suffering?

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OkThereBro t1_jbmnh0f wrote

Rational. People can have problems or see issue with whatever they want. It's when people force it on others that they become wrong.

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obscureferences t1_jbn2fhl wrote

That's not specific, and they will enforce their preference, so make up your mind.

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OkThereBro t1_jbzzj8k wrote

No one is enforcing anything on you. You sound like a victim. No ones hurting you, no one cares what you do.

Vegans are just a type of people who don't eat certain things. Seems judgemental to add additional things on top. Everyone has beliefs. No one is forcing them on you. If you think they will then that's paranoid. What are you afraid of? Vegans lol?

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SuperManta3 t1_jbk247c wrote

Something tells me you have never interacted with a real vegan person in real life

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obscureferences t1_jblb5fg wrote

Of course I have. Sorry if the comment was abrupt, I was in a hurry.

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OkThereBro t1_jbity8a wrote

When your preference is hurting animals then obviously there will be those who disagree. I highly doubt vegans "not tolerating" (which doesn't even make sense as it's not like they're stopping you) has any impact on your life. A preference isn't some defence for any behavior. I guarantee you don't "tolerate" plenty of people's "preferences".

I will say it's easy to have your preferences and not impose them on others, people who do that are assholes but they're not just in the vegan community they're everywhere. I've never met a vegan like that, not that they don't exist.

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obscureferences t1_jblc4ub wrote

They're not stopping me because they can't, there is no option to, which is why I'm referring to when there is that option.

Also what do I get when you break your guarantee?

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OkThereBro t1_jbmn7ds wrote

Pretty impossible to break it. Some preferences are abhorrent.

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obscureferences t1_jbn2uez wrote

I see the guaranteed claim now has quotation marks, as if it changes the definition at all significantly.

Why don't you tell us what abhorrent preference "plenty of people" have that you're certain I don't tolerate?

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OkThereBro t1_jbnzxj8 wrote

Dude... Like... Choose one. Murdering, cheating, any illegal sex activity. Also I havent edited anything and you can see that on the comment (if you don't know it tells you).

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