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Plonsky2 t1_jde49m5 wrote
It's up to you to tame them, you bronco buster, you.
CaliBigWill t1_jde4ojp wrote
But dont catch one yourself. That's a crime. You have to pay for your horsemeat.
Seriously sad that alot of these animal do end up as food
PeiMeisPeePee t1_jde4x62 wrote
no they are also trained and sold as working/hobby horses. Theres a movie called The Mustang based on a prisoner rehabilitation programme that does just that
navel-encounters t1_jde5a7s wrote
thats correct, only a few actually are for personal use, the rest get turned into food.
r1ch999999 t1_jde5rsn wrote
horses aren't native to North America in the traditional sense. All horses on this continent are here because a tame horse escaped, went feral, and bred.
MoistCoyote OP t1_jde69tk wrote
From the article:
- legislation was passed to update original legislation passed IN RESPONSE TO worries about herd slaughters.
- “Charges have also been made that the BLM has turned a blind eye to the practice of private investors adopting feral horses for the purposes of slaughter, and courts have determined that the BLM may not ignore the intent of adopters.“
MoistCoyote OP t1_jde6qhr wrote
“Charges have so been made that the BLM has turned a blind eye to the practice of private investors adopting feral horses for the purposes of slaughter, and courts have determined that the BLM may not ignore the intent of adopters.” Idk how much this actually means.
LewisEFurr t1_jde7tew wrote
....for slaughter.
25 to 50 are shipped to Canada and Mexico daily from just one kill shelter we follow. 365 days a year. They are treated like shit too.
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Jagged_Rhythm t1_jdeao6f wrote
Same with pigs, boars, etc. They came over on the Mayflower I think.
MoistCoyote OP t1_jdeavuh wrote
Thank you to responders for pointing out flaws in program not covered by wiki article: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/15/us/wild-horses-adoptions-slaughter.html
r1ch999999 t1_jdebf7t wrote
I think they had 40-50 wild hogs on the Mayflower
TheIdiotWindBlowing t1_jdecgmp wrote
I was doing some work at a zoo and one of the workers were feeding the cheetahs. I asked what was for supper she said horse. They get feral horses for food
boomstickbutcher t1_jdeez5i wrote
Horse meat is kinda delicious
KGhaleon t1_jdej6r9 wrote
There are rumored to be native horses that once lived in America due to skeletons found, but they were likely hunted to extinction by the natives until domestic horses were brought back to the continent.
https://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/blog/american-horses-horses-in-north-america-a-comeback-story/
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r1ch999999 t1_jdejp7f wrote
That is why I said in the traditional sense. Modern wild horses are protected for the reason you mentioned, afaik.
I've never eaten horse, to my knowledge, but I'm sure if I was hungry enough I would. We don't tend to eat horse, especially in the USA, because we have rules about what vaccines and drugs we allow in our food supply, and because horses (and dogs) are considered pets/working animals and not food, they're allowed more shots than say, cows or pigs.
I could be wrong in all of that, I'm just repeating what vets have told me.
No-Neighborhood2152 t1_jdeokx9 wrote
There is a problem with not allowing them to be used for food though...
Having a horse market for food puts a floor on the price of a horse. Meaning that if you cannot afford to care for a horse, feed the horse and the horse is not suitable to be sold you can send it to an auction where it will typically be sold for slaughter, not necessarily for human consumption.
The cost for putting down a horse in my area is about 400 dollars plus a travel fee. Around $750 for me in total. People that can't afford, or just plain suck, will stick the horse out to pasture and not provide food or care, or release it to the wild. I'm a horse lover so I do not like the end of life of a horse sent to a kill plant, but I would argue that the alternative is often far far worse.
Gibbertina t1_jdeosog wrote
Why don't they let the free market do it, isn't that their jam?
mattstive t1_jdes7fv wrote
The blm in Wyoming has tons of them. Come get a few.
Ok_Shine_6533 t1_jdet91r wrote
That used to be the case. The BLM has put a lot more protections in place to prevent that from happening nowadays. Not saying it never does, but it's much more rare (and illegal) than people are lead to believe.
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CalvinSays t1_jdeunqs wrote
There are absolutely herds of feral horses running around.
boomstickbutcher t1_jdevgwf wrote
People are so touchy about eating horse. In Europe it’s a delicacy. And my tribe it is one our many cultural traditions, and serves as a form of respect to the horse. I understand many white Americans don’t like us Natives, but the feeling is mutual.
Doctor_Expendable t1_jdew8z3 wrote
Where my parents live it seems like everyone has a horse. Not as a beloved family pet, or to ride, or to work. Just to have.
You've never seen more horses standing listlessly in fields that are too small for them. No shelter in those fields. No other horses. Out of eyeline from the houses usually too.
I'd rather eat a horse than see those horses "live" like they do
GenJRipper t1_jdey6qc wrote
Damn I spent like 1k to put my dog down when it was her time. Spent like 10k on bills the previous 6 months to keep her around so it didn’t seem like much to me since I would have paid anything to make her healthy again. For a large animal like a horse that seems.. cheap I guess?
Diabetesh t1_jdeyylw wrote
"Horse meat?! Oh goodness no."
"Bbq brisket and pulled pork, awww yea."
rededelk t1_jdf04z7 wrote
I had a neighbor that had 2, they were tattooed with serial #s (I think liquid NO2), she was a trail rider and they were very good, well trained. I thought it was illegal to slaughter horses in the US, I could be wrong
srcarruth t1_jdf0bk6 wrote
plus all them horny Pilgrims, woo woo! they could also be called hogs.
WillingPublic t1_jdf16gs wrote
You are correct, but public opinion is so out of wack on this topic that it is hard to have a rational conversation.
Several years ago I was involved in a zoning process in a rural county with many active farms on it. Coincidently, someone else was trying to build an abattoir to process horse meat. This is absolutely an allowed use in an agriculturally zoned area, and the developer just needed what should have been an automatic approval. Long story short, the county turned down the approval and more-or-less said “sue us.” So even though it was legal in fact, public opinion made it illegal.
As I recall, the abattoir was being developed to process horse meat for export.
Greenmachine98 t1_jdf16o7 wrote
They sell them to civilians too. We have one, it's a government program.
Dramatic-Caramel-670 t1_jdf315z wrote
It does not cost 1k to have a dog put down. You got seriously ripped off.
BJ_Blitzvix t1_jdf36ex wrote
Wait... People in the US eat them?
Due_Platypus_3913 t1_jdf4xh6 wrote
There’s a facility that’s part of this program outside Sparks,Nevada.O Pyramid hiway,heading out to “that thing in the desert “you’re like “wow!look at all those horses,then a sign tells you what you’re looking at.
DroolingIguana t1_jdf578l wrote
> Where my parents live it seems like everyone has a horse.
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CaliBigWill t1_jdf7i4x wrote
Not usually. Due to US laws(USDA) horses are usually sent over the border to Mexico for slaughter.. Horses arent illegal to eat but they cannot be sold for commercial consumption here.
garlicbreadmemesplz t1_jdf7uqp wrote
There’s a documentary that came out last year about this. It’s called Nope.
BabyTRexArms t1_jdf8mn1 wrote
Yeah I am wondering how in the f it cost $1000. And $10k for the last year of life. I live in Seattle, super high CoL and vet costs in the city. That would be insane even for here multiple times over.
ferrariguy1970 t1_jdf9i8r wrote
I’ve come across two wild horses while hiking. Beautiful animals, out there free.
NorthSideSoxFan t1_jdfccb7 wrote
They're an invasive species
NorthSideSoxFan t1_jdfcdu8 wrote
Why is it sad? They're livestock
dmr11 t1_jdfci3x wrote
Do they ever use feral pig meat as well?
adamcoe t1_jdfegtc wrote
Excess? Seems to imply that there's a stock of wild horses they keep just hanging around.
dinoroo t1_jdfesy4 wrote
A coworker had bought one and then told me that when they went to pick it up from a friend who it was delivered to, it was skittish, ran into a fence head-on thinking there was nothing there and died instantly….because it was a wild horse.
TheIdiotWindBlowing t1_jdfgvzf wrote
I doubt it. They used horse bc she said it was the closest food to what they would get in the wild
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CaliBigWill t1_jdfizi0 wrote
They weren't. They were free roaming wild animals. Rounded up. Penned and potentilnally abused. Then bought en masse and sold for meat.
Whole herds that were free. Not livestock. There is a difference.
january_stars t1_jdfki2o wrote
I should look into this, I'm excellent at taming wild horses. The trick is to hold the left joystick in a down and slightly to the right position the entire time, while button mashing the Calm option. Never failed with this method.
BarnabyWoods t1_jdfmeyt wrote
At last, an informed voice on horses!
BarnabyWoods t1_jdfn4jh wrote
Actually, they're feral domesticated animals, which now occupy this weird gray area where they're called "wild", but they're not managed like other large wild animals such as deer and elk. Despite the fact that "wild" horse herds increase in population by 20% per year, there's no hunting season on them, and it's illegal for anyone but BLM to round them up. In most of their range, there are no natural predators to keep their numbers in check.
So they chew up habitat that other native wildlife depend on. So in essence they're national pets, costing taxpayers tens of millions of dollars per year to maintain.
BarnabyWoods t1_jdfnhid wrote
Um, yeah, there are massive numbers of excess horses. "Wild" horse herds on public lands in the West increase by 20% per year, with no predators keeping them in check.
NorthSideSoxFan t1_jdfp4ml wrote
... they're an invasive species from Eurasia that have no place in the local ecosystem, brought to this continent to be livestock.
Horses are livestock.
CaliBigWill t1_jdfq2ht wrote
So actually or not - Not Livestock.
The only way these horses cost Taxpayers any money is when the BLM gets involved. They're the ones spending the money to do these roundups, maintain holding facilities, and the large costs of the adoption program (which takes up nearly a third of the annual BLM wild horse budget of $11.6 million),
Wild horses used to range in the millions. They're down to about 50,000. Is that not thinned enough?
BLM arguments in favor of these gathers are kind of weak ranging from maintaining health to protecting them from overgrazing.
So they waste millions, not spend.
CaliBigWill t1_jdfqfes wrote
After about 600years running In the wild I'd like to disagree.
Are wild hogs livestock?
Edited for math- not 800
NorthSideSoxFan t1_jdfqvcr wrote
800? Are you sure about your math on that one?
In so far as they don't belong and should be fair game to eat? Yes.
Lvl99Dogspotter t1_jdfr4u4 wrote
800 years?
camwhat t1_jdfr8r3 wrote
Seems like something they would do out here.
CaliBigWill t1_jdfti6i wrote
Brought by Columbus in the 1490's. Close to 800. There were other explorers here before him. That's a different argument. Cortes was here in the 1500's. 700 some odd years ago.
I'm not saying they shouldn't be eaten Meat is meat.. I'm saying these type of round ups are wrong and the treatment of the horses after they're gathered is wrong. And honestly to me its disgraceful that we have to send them to another country to be slaughtered. Our own government doesn't condone eating them but if there's a profit by damn let's do it!
CaliBigWill t1_jdftv84 wrote
Ok. Math, - . Columbus brought horses. 1490... 600 years, yes. Cortes brought horses. 1500's. So about 500year. . Brains not on full
CaliBigWill t1_jdfu23s wrote
Math is off a bit 5-600 years. Brain isn't working.
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GenJRipper t1_jdfulxa wrote
It was I think the fact that I brought her there that morning and a couple things where done during the assessment. You are correct when I look back it wasn’t just the putting down part that cost me that much.
Nyrk333 t1_jdfvj4n wrote
I've ridden tamed mustangs before. They can be excellent horses, sturdy, healthy, easy to keep, and if they spend a few winters in the wild, they don't easily spook.
twinsea t1_jdfvrw4 wrote
Not always, the wild ponies at Assateague are treated like celebrities and folks pay a lot of money to name them. Excess ponies are auctioned off and top pony can go for close to half a million. Average is around $17k.
GenJRipper t1_jdfvul8 wrote
The cost for her last months of life was she was on a ton of meds and I was taking her in like every week for assessments and check ups. She was my girl so I didn’t mind. I’m in SoCal with ties to Seattle. I was giving my dog like 15 pills a day before her GDV happened. I’m glad I got my 14 years, she was likely closer to 17-18 when she passed
BarnabyWoods t1_jdfw3o2 wrote
>Wild horses used to range in the millions.
You just made that up. Before the Wild Horses and Burros Act was passed in 1971, wild horse numbers were kept in check by ranchers and state wildlife officials.
As for BLM's roundups, they're required to do that by federal law. They're required to define herd management areas and set appropriate numbers for each area, and then round them up when those numbers are exceeded. This is not discretionary. You don't like the law? Complain to Congress, not BLM.
rebel1031 t1_jdfwmx1 wrote
I’ve adopted 3. They’re wonderful horses.
I hope to adopt again some day.
GenJRipper t1_jdfxmwx wrote
The biggest cost to me was losing my dog, GDV is a son a a bitch that more owners should be aware of. Nowadays when a dog gets fixed they can do something to prevent it.
CaliBigWill t1_jdfxyy3 wrote
I'm not the one who made the numbers nor the only one posting it..
As for the rest of your paragraph. Thank you for your contribution.
Amadacius t1_jdfyfc1 wrote
Wild hogs are exterminated en masse because they are an invasive pet brought over from Eurasia. Probably the worst thing you could have compared a horse to.
Amadacius t1_jdfyjvl wrote
>They were free roaming wild animals. Rounded up. Penned and potentilnally abused. Then bought en masse and sold for meat.
That's the definition of livestock.
Amadacius t1_jdfz65w wrote
An adult warthog would fuck a cheetah up.
CptJaxxParrow t1_jdg04az wrote
Yes, Hogs are not native to north america, they are an invasive species brought from eurasia as livestock
LittleLostDoll t1_jdg07wq wrote
it's illegal in the states.. but Mexico will pay 3-400 a horse and truck them down across the boarder, or just outright steal them and take them down if they can get away with it
NorthSideSoxFan t1_jdg0h49 wrote
I'd much rather the federal government end the backdoor-moratorium on horse slaughter in this country.
I also think that most uproar over sending "wild" horses to slaughter is because they're seen as cute and have been miscoded as pets. When someone tries to do their part and eat Asian Carp out of the Mississippi watershed, for example, no one whines on the internet about how those fish are treated.
CaliBigWill t1_jdg19h4 wrote
Livestock” means livestock as defined in sec. 602 of the Emergency Livestock Feed Assistance Act of 1988 [7 U.S.C. 1471], as amended, insects, and all other living animals cultivated, grown, or raised for commercial purposes, including aquatic animals.
They were not grown or raised and US Law specifically bans them from being sold for commercial meat. Not Livestock
CaliBigWill t1_jdg1gsa wrote
That's not the argument. Are wild hogs livestock? Not were they.
myaltaltaltacct t1_jdg1iby wrote
"Excess"? Aren't they all excess?
CaliBigWill t1_jdg1xh7 wrote
There is a big difference between Asian carp and wild horses. The destruction they actually do far outweighs overgrazing. That argument isnt very good anyway.
SwoopKing t1_jdg2hro wrote
Yup, they absolutely destroy all the natural ponds and streams across neveda. No natural preditors, without human intervention, they'll ruin the landscape.
dmr11 t1_jdg3j5v wrote
So would a zebra, which is what horse meat is supposedly trying to replace.
lrigwoCPlease t1_jdg42b2 wrote
Saw it on 60 minutes!
Amadacius t1_jdg4f2x wrote
The crux of your argument seems to be that it free-range meat is more cruel than factory farmed meat. That if an animal lived a good life before slaughter it is more tragic than if we birthed them in a cage, deprived and abused them consistently from start to finish.
We round them up because they are an invasive species that disrupts the local ecology. We slaughter them because nobody else wants them. But every ounce of meat produced this way seems infinitely more ethical than the more systemic methods.
tinman82 t1_jdg5e6s wrote
Man I've seen tons of that. It's crazy. I always assumed horses were inherently expensive to care for. They don't look good though. I also saw a cow in a plus size dog house and a pen that was crazy.
Amadacius t1_jdg6iiz wrote
They'd mainly be trying to replace small antelope and small game.
I can't say whether horse meat is really a better substitute than wild pig or anything like that.
dickalopejr t1_jdg90z8 wrote
No such thing as wild horses anymore. They're feral
neverbeenwrongb4 t1_jdggx6c wrote
The horses live on protected federal land, and the horses themselves are protected wildlife. The federal hunt and slaughter is a cull to keep their numbers in check so they don't devastate the landscape eating every last bit of vegetation and then all starve to death. They want some horses to live there safely and happily. They just can't let all of them live. The horses don't have any natural predators because wolves have been extirpated from most of the US.
neverbeenwrongb4 t1_jdggz17 wrote
Everything starts as an invasive species.
WobblyGobbledygook t1_jdgic85 wrote
Tattooed where? Racehorses used to be tattooed inside their bottom lip. (No idea if still the caes/location.)
WobblyGobbledygook t1_jdgijhj wrote
So nobody reads "Misty of Chincoteague" as kids anymore??
rededelk t1_jdgirda wrote
Read the OP post and I never said anything about racehorses. Talking wild mustangs, not thoroughbreds
LittleLostDoll t1_jdgo30a wrote
a mustang is normally freeze branded on its side. looks mostly like scarring unless your used to it as the brands age
Planarleo127890 t1_jdgxc80 wrote
Feral horses, theres no wild horses in America.
AydanZeGod t1_jdgxp6k wrote
Basically that BLM used be like ‘I don’t care what you’re using the horses for’ except now they’re going to be like ‘I don’t know what you’re using the horses for, I’m just going to sell them’
AdamsXCM101 t1_jdh63us wrote
I have a BLM burro. I take her for walks in the desert.
Pinglaggette t1_jdhar7i wrote
Feral horse populations come from the American Civil War, not from the first instances of Eurasian horses arriving in North America. The Union couldn’t afford to house and feed the massive amounts of cavalry horses they had acquired for the war, so they just let them loose, figuring that they wouldn’t survive. Well, they did and they are literally destroying the environment and killing off the actual native populations out there.
BigDKane t1_jdhgel8 wrote
I've never made it to the pony swim 😕, but I've visited the island more than a few times and I've watched them from Chincoteague a few times!
Teesandelbows t1_jdhjt6y wrote
What's an exess wild horse?
beans3710 t1_jdhpcn7 wrote
This year in New Mexico they are just shooting them and leaving them laying on the ground.
CaliBigWill t1_jdhsys4 wrote
You're trying to tell.me there were no wild horses in the US from 1500-1865?
You're dismissing 300years of history?
Early explorers and settlers chronicled the presence of horses throughout North America. In 1521, herds were seen grazing the lands that would become Georgia and the Carolinas. Sixty years later, Sir Francis Drake found herds of horses living among Native people in coastal areas of California and Oregon. In 1598, Don Juan de Oñate described New Mexico as being “full of wild mares.
And those weren't European horses..
Eukre t1_jdi0pl9 wrote
I've been all around this country and I haven't see much free of anything aside squirrels and birds. In world where even Equine aren't safe, shesh.
And what does "excess" even mean to the federal government.
Pinglaggette t1_jdi1ks3 wrote
You’re misunderstanding what I’m saying. Yes, there were horses in the US in earlier times, introduced by early Europeans (and yes, they were European horses. American horses went extinct 12,000 years or so ago). Native peoples started buying and breeding their own shorter stature ponies ideal for the region. But the massive overpopulation (and the reason that this is such an issue) came from the release of union cavalry. That would be why the current “wild” horses all resemble mustangs and not the sturdy, shorter stature ponies raised and used by the natives in these regions.
CaliBigWill t1_jdi6ng1 wrote
Scientists are questioning whether wild horses populations in the Americas went extinct and some Native Americans will tell you they didnt. Native Americans did not buy and breed.
https://www.yesmagazine.org/environment/2020/04/27/native-horses-indigenous-history
There was no mass release of horses at the end of the Civil War. Horses died by the millions in that war and at the end they needed to obtain more horses.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army_Remount_Service
The US Cavalry still existed (and does exist) and still had to function (American Indian Wars)
The mustang is a free-roaming horse of the Western United States, descended from horses brought to the Americas by the Spanish.
askmeaboutmysciatica t1_jdig9a9 wrote
What were they planning to do with it? No judgement I’m just very curious lol
furiousfran t1_jdis5ct wrote
>You are correct, but public opinion is so out of wack on this topic that it is hard to have a rational conversation.
We could feed people with all the millions of unwanted dogs and cats too but if you bring that up everyone thinks you're a monster 🤷
furiousfran t1_jdisk8i wrote
Feral cats don't either and they're probably worse for ecosystems but everyone shits themselves when you point out the only way to truly solve the problem is extermination, so instead we get these bullshit Trap neuter release programs that do fuckall for the birds and small animals that have to live with them.
Let's eat them instead, they taste like rabbit.
furiousfran t1_jditc4o wrote
So is dog if you feed it right. People are so touchy about eating dog when we've been eating them for millennia, there's even meat breeds of dog. If it's hairless, it's a meat breed.
PatrickMorris t1_jdiuelq wrote
Why is this more sad than any cow being used for food?
Consistent-Secret838 t1_jdiv4tl wrote
How TF do you have excess Nature?
CaliBigWill t1_jdivxug wrote
Herds of wild free animals rounded up and decimated. The methods are questionable. Helicopters driving the herd into pens. Foals cant keep up, trampled,separated. Others panic and are injured. Once they're penned the rest is just as bad.
Cows are bred and raised to be food. They usually arent roaming free and suddenly they're food.
snow_michael t1_jdixbsb wrote
There are no wild horses in the US
snow_michael t1_jdixhux wrote
Or in the case of the Mustangs were deliberately loosed to go feral
PatrickMorris t1_jdiyl7w wrote
Sounds to me like cows have the sadder life, the horses get a taste of freedom for a while at least.
snow_michael t1_jdizr69 wrote
> And my tribe it is one our many cultural traditions
Pretty damn recent 'cultural tradition'
snow_michael t1_jdjdnrx wrote
The US has never had wild horses, and feral numbers at their peak were around a million at most
snow_michael t1_jdjdw0p wrote
Columbus never set foot on what today is the US
snow_michael t1_jdjdzq9 wrote
Very accurate comparison - destructive feral species not being properly managed
snow_michael t1_jdje6wr wrote
There have not since the end of the last ice age (c.11000 years ago) ever been wild horses in the US
snow_michael t1_jdjes4e wrote
Cheetah seldom take an adult zebra
And yes, they are a major component (>10%) of cheetah diet in South Africa
snow_michael t1_jdjex24 wrote
No wild mustangs in the US
snow_michael t1_jdjf0z8 wrote
No, you didn't
There have been no wild horses in the US since the last ice age
CaliBigWill t1_jdjhvh1 wrote
https://www.yesmagazine.org/environment/2020/04/27/native-horses-indigenous-history
Sir Francis Drake observed and noted in his ships log that there were a plethora of wild horses living among the indigenous peoples in Northern California and Southwestern Oregon
CaliBigWill t1_jdji0q8 wrote
Sir Francis Drake observed and noted in his ships log that there were a plethora of wild horses living among the indigenous peoples in Northern California and Southwestern Oregon
https://www.yesmagazine.org/environment/2020/04/27/native-horses-indigenous-history
boomstickbutcher t1_jdjnhr7 wrote
Wow, pretty damn racist response
boomstickbutcher t1_jdjnotn wrote
I agree. I’ve never eaten dog knowingly, but I imagine any meat can be prepared to taste good.
ferrariguy1970 t1_jdk7ld7 wrote
Wanna bet? The US Government harvests wild horses and sells them off. 😂
Thetrueredditerd t1_jdkn3wk wrote
Just get a shotgun and aim for the head and just bury the thing 6ft feet under.
dangerbird2 t1_jdmbnj4 wrote
Przewalski's horse, a close relative of the domestic horses, is still around
Because horses originally evolved in North America, there has been the argument that the arrival of feral horses after 1492 was a reintroduction of a native species rather than an invasive feral population. This is why the US government is in the unique position of protecting a feral population
Leftfeet t1_jdnrlk4 wrote
Mustangs are highly sought after for working cattle. The healthy, young and strong wild horses aren't used for food, they're trained and sold to work ranches.
snow_michael t1_jdq41ob wrote
There are no wild horses in the US
Przewalski's horse is the only remaing wild horse in the world
snow_michael t1_jdq47oy wrote
Horses were only introduced into the North American landmass in the late 1400s
They were not widely distribured until the mid 1600s
My university college has older 'cultural traditions' than that
snow_michael t1_jdq4y1b wrote
"she began talks with a team of French geneticists to analyze the DNA of the sanctuary’s native horses. She expects that their results will provide undeniable scientific proof..."
... that all horse species currently extant on the North American continent are descended from European, caballoid, horses https://awionline.org/content/wild-horses-native-north-american-wildlife
boomstickbutcher t1_jdq87s9 wrote
Like I said, one of many of our cultural traditions. I never said it’s an old tradition you cunt.
snow_michael t1_jdq8jhx wrote
And I never said it wasn't a tradition, just not an old one, you illiterate cunt
boomstickbutcher t1_jdq8rz2 wrote
I read your stupid little words and understood the point you attempted to make with them. You are a racist, and a twat, enough said.
snow_michael t1_jdq8z0y wrote
> understood the point you attempted to make
Well, you're the one who ultimately said it's not an old tradition, which was my original point, so I'm delighted to accept that and move on
boomstickbutcher t1_jdq9akj wrote
Your use of quotation marks around the words cultural tradition says it all. It’s some dismissive and passive aggressive white guy thing to do that disregards others cultural practices. It’s like using finger quotes sarcastically to dismiss someone or something. It’s petty, and little. One thing you will learn about indigenous people if you ever spent the time, would be that indigenous cultures are highly adaptive, we wouldn’t survive if we weren’t. Unlike many of you European cultures that are static and unchanging for a thousand years.
ferrariguy1970 t1_jdrgsnv wrote
Does it make you feel better by polluting up a thread about “wild” horses with your unneeded language policing? Wild horses in the US are feral. We get it. You need to be a fucking douche about it. We get that too.
CaliBigWill t1_jdruxom wrote
Okay...and? Where are you going with this? Horses were on the North American continent and then went extinct.( this is debated).They were brought by the Spanish in the early 1500's. Probably before is debated as well. Either way what are you trying to say?
Now, new research out of the University of California Santa Cruz’s prestigious Paleogenomics Lab sheds new light on the argument by tying the DNA of the modern-day horse to its ancient ancestry on the North American continent.
https://awionline.org/content/wild-horses-native-north-american-wildlife
https://ictnews.org/news/yes-world-there-were-horses-in-native-culture-before-the-settlers-came
[deleted] t1_jdsr0dp wrote
Ive seen can of horse flavored cat food before which seemed like a very stupid ingredient to use in cat food (just like the ash they put in).
snow_michael t1_jdswnf3 wrote
If that's how it came across, dismissive of the peoples themselves, as opposed to calling something depending upon an animal introduced only 400 years ago not culturally traditional, then I am in the wrong for using those quotes, and I accept that I have offended those who saw it as dismissive of them. And I apologise for that
still_deebs t1_jde46gr wrote
This means that they're slaughtered.
As if there are excess horses. Just stop