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scurvydog-uldum t1_itu13zx wrote

Reply to comment by TheRed_Knight in TIL The European 30 Years' War 1618 - 1648 began with Czech nobles throwing two Habsburg governors out of Prague castle window onto a huge dungheap. The corresponding carnage - fought over the issue of religious freedom following the Protestant Reformation - left millions dead. by Royal_Bumblebee_

the sunni-shiite wars were also really brutal.

i don't really understand why there wasn't ...

well, let's not go there.

european christians learned to separate church and state after their religious wars. that doesnt seem to be a universal lesson.

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TheRed_Knight t1_itu1h5y wrote

Islam and Islamic scripture is much more directly tied to the governance of people than Catholicism or Protestantism, like the concept alone of seperation of Church and State is just incredibly alien to a majority of Muslims. Europeans learned to separate the two after centuries of Church intervention and it only happened due in large part to the ambitions of absolutist monarchs, and even then it wasnt a uniform, timely, or bloodless process.

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R1DER_of_R0HAN t1_itvpv03 wrote

Not to mention it’s always so much more complex than “they do religion wrong therefore kill.” Sunni and Shiite Muslims have lived alongside each other for centuries in many places with no issues. Changes in material conditions turn these differences into a potential battleground.

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