Submitted by TopAbies9056 t3_z1utg9 in todayilearned
Stanford White was the Harvey Weinstein and Jeff Epstein of his day and maybe worse,
rich socialite ✅
protected by Hollywood ✅
Young women ✅
Everyone knew what he did but ignored it due to his influence ✅
a story as old as time.
and he’s said to have assaulted girls as young as 8 or 9 by promising them careers as entertainers he had a list of girls in a red book he kept next to his bed.
With a mustache like that, no wonder she became a supermodel.
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I nominate this poster as Reddit’s diplomatic representative to the UN. What’s the worst that could happen?
/blinding flash & mushroom cloud
Are you trying to say that supermodels can’t have big, thick moustaches, you absolute imbecile?!?!
Madison Square Theater. Madison Square Garden was opened in 1968.
Harvey Thaw was just as bad as the man he murdered:
"In 1916, Thaw was charged with the kidnapping, beating, and sexual assault of nineteen-year-old Frederick Gump of Kansas City, Missouri. His acquaintance with Gump dated to December 1915, and Thaw had worked to gain the trust of the Gump family. Thaw had enticed Gump to come to New York under the pretense of underwriting the teenager's enrollment at Carnegie Institute, and reserved rooms for him at the Hotel McAlpin. The New York Times later reported that, upon his arrival, Gump was confronted by "Thaw, armed with a short, stocky whip rushing for him."
Is this who Buzz is talking about in Toy Story one when he's wearing the apron?
Well, life is like a box of chocolates
Weeeeeeeeee!
Goldman knew that it was only 1906 And there were 94 years to go!
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Up until the end, I was thinking he did it because White took his wife's virginity and he was upset he didn't get to. His lamenting White taking advantage of and then deserting her gives me pause, but it was probably just a way to get positive rather than negative publicity.
You never know with bastards back then. A few of them did have somewhat of a sense of honor.
I generally just assume they'll see women as property until I'm given a good amount of evidence to the contrary.
You hit the nail in the head
"she would still have been a virgin if Stanford White hadn’t been around."
-an actual quote of his according to Wikipedia
“Thaw, whose persona took on a dimension she had never before seen. Manic and violent, locked her up and beat her with a whip and sexually assaulted her over a two-week period.”
Hypocrisy at it’s finest.
Aaaaaand there it is. Batting 1.000 in misogynist identification.
Oh and
“Thaw, whose persona took on a dimension she had never before seen. Manic and violent, locked her up and beat her with a whip and sexually assaulted her over a two-week period.”
Hypocrisy at it’s finest, killing someone who did the same shit you did.
Yeah, the guy was obsessed with virgins. He also hated White beforehand.
He even left the following line in the visitor's book of the birthplace of Joan of Arc:
>She would not have been a virgin if Stanford White had been around.
Which is kind of tragically funny.
>However, when audience members noticed that Stanford White was missing half of his face, they began to panic.
He didn't care about the sexual assault, he was upset he didn't get to take her virginity. Absolute rat fucking bastard.
I'm thinking Jesus made a mistake.
Brown and melty
Netflix could easily turns this in an 8 season series....
Funnily enough HBO is kind of doing that in a show called the gilded age which features White as a young architect in New York
The wrong person got crucified that's for damn sure
🎵 Crime of the century. Great, now that song's gonna be my earworm for the rest of the morning
It's a cool musical, too
There’s an excellent Kaz Rowe video on her as well.
Buzz was Mrs. Nesbit. He was drinking Darjeeling with Marie Antonette and her little sister.
I still don't understand why guys are obsessed with a woman being a virgin. -from a guy
Right, when he says, "I'm, MRS. NESBIT." This is who he was talking about?
Sorry, misread your statement.
No worries. Just seems dark for Disney/Pixar but then again... it's Disney/Pixar and stuff slides through, especially obscure references.
The fourth MSG opened in 68. There were 3 before that.
> Two venues called Madison Square Garden were located just northeast of the square, the original Garden from 1879 to 1890, and the second Garden from 1890 to 1925. The first, leased to P. T. Barnum,[8] and was demolished in 1890 because of a leaky roof and dangerous balconies that had collapsed, resulting in deaths. The second was designed by noted architect Stanford White.
Well, TIL. Thanks!
they began to panic suspect something is amiss
FTFY
Np! Just learned this now as well
Frederick sounds like a boy's name methinks
Harry Thaw was a murderous vile person. He brutally beat Evelyn as well as many other women and men.
Currently reading a book called Ragtime by E.L. Doctorow. Highly entertaining read if you’re into historical fiction. Mrs. Nesbit is a main character.
Virgin brides used to be a big deal.
But some guy raped your wife, you'd be mad about that too.
There were no treatment for STDs until the mid 20th century.
Stanford White actually was the architect of that version of Madison Square Garden, the location of his death.
edit: furthermore, he was the "white" in Mckim, Mead and White which was the most prominent architecture firm in NYC during that period. They designed the original Penn Station along with many other neoclassical Beaux Arts landmarks.
I would say "features" is a bit strong for his role in the show. But it's neat that the show has a lot real people and events in it. Historical fiction is fun.
“Wait a minute that’s not what a face is supposed to look like!”
i need to finish the video about it
Yup. One super shitty rich dude killed another super shitty rich dude.
Ragtime by EL Doctrow has a fictionalization of this incident. Was she also the model for St Gaudens Diana which had been at the second iteration of Madison Square Garden?
How did Evelyn’s legs get covered in blood
The movie was well-done. Elizabeth McGovern plays Evelyn. Quite a stacked-cast movie: James Cagney, Mary Steenburgen, Brad Dourif, Debbie Allen, Mandy Patinkin, Harold E Rollins..
They released the wrong Brian.
The violent rape while she was passed out. It made her bleed.
Rapes can get very bloody, especially when it's someone very young who is not aroused at all.
Madison Square THEATER. Not Madison Square Garden...
Making fun of the brutal rape of a 16 year old girl? How nice of you
I think you may have picked up an extra chromosome during the time it took you to add that asterisk. Obviously this comment doesn’t make fun of a rape. It’s pointing out how insanely barbaric people were just over a hundred years ago. I would say go touch grass, but snowflakes tend to melt in heat.
I thought it had way too short of a run, but was lucky enough to see it on broadway.. It immediately came to mind when I saw this post
Was ... he implying that he felt raped??
Jesus.
Its a shame more people of this kind don't get got
I love this show and I've really been wanting it to come back as a revival. Pretty much every storyline from rich car tycoons and unions to police violence and racial injustice are still relevant today. You could almost just swap out jewish immigrants for hispanic south americans and set it in modern day and not much would change.
Came here for this comment
He was actually way worse, considering the other guy drugged his victim, so she wasn't consciusly aware of what happened and he did it "only" once.
The crime of the century!! And it was only 1906!
Thanks Ragtime
She certainly has a spectacular mustache.
Toy story, buzz lightyear, tea party with miss nesbit lol. Im stoned sorry
And his arm was ripped out too.
This features prominently in the great movie Rag Time
Came here to say this. I have a tattoo on my wrist that’s based on a Doctorow quote.
I know i shouldn't laugh, but i'm imagining this college kid riding on the train from Missouri all across this great country, getting to New York, awed by it all, going to a glamorous hotel, finding his room, then the instant he opens the door there's a crazed middle aged rich pervert rushing at him with a sex whip.
Property value.
It was a disgusting way to view another human.
Lots of guys still view it this way.
Nesbitt was a "Floradora Girl". They were the first celebrities whose fame was based on their looks, not talent.
Harry Thaw was a very mentally disturbed drug addict. Hard to know what is actually true in this case.
Saw it in LA befote it went to NY. Wonderful show
Harry Thaw was fucking nuts. A very interesting Wikipedia to read.
Not the last murder committed inside MSG.
Source: Me as a 90s Knick fan watching Jordan and Reggie Miller. 😭
Wasn't he mentally ill?
From what I understand he deserted Nesbit and she received no help raising their son.
Ugh. Evelyn Nesbit's childhood and youth was so horrific.
🎶And everything was Ragtime🎶
eh you don't really wanna defend Harry Thaw either. He was an abusive deranged insane person.
But the same applies to men.
He shot him from the front, 2 bullets in the face not the back of the head. It was Stanford's rape apologist son who spread the common misconception that White shot him in the back in order to paint him with the brush of cowardice. But nope, he walked up to him said "you ruined my wife" and shot him in the face and shoulder, likely killing him instantly.
Stanny’s killed, but her mother’s thrilled
The Onion but out a book of fake historical front pages that I loved (probably came out at least 15 years ago). One of my favorite parts was that every five or ten pages or so would be a headline announcing a new "the trial of the century". I think this was one of them.
Like peanut butt butter! It's how they do it in Hollywood. Showbiz!
Nesbit was her maiden name.
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There’s also the author Edith Nesbit.
I wish men still worse these
And Harry Thaw, the killer, wasn't any better.
Both scumbags protected by their wealth.
STD and having the certainty of filiation.
Add to this enabled by a doting mother.
These events are depicted in the book, film, and play “Ragtime” -I highly recommend the film.
I said Ms. Nesbit.
That’s a great movie.
The podcast Most Notorious covers this in one of their episodes. I’m too lazy to look for the exact number but for anyone interested in a bit more in depth story.
Mentally ill? Maybe, but certainly bathed in the privilage of white wealth.Even after his overbearing and over indulgent mother died, his money kept him out of prisons and free to rape and beat both men and women.
This is an extremely famous murder. The OJ Simpson trial of the era. Or vice versa.
so she got Cosby'd and her husband gave the dude the Lincoln Special?
You better work.
Ugh yes. Not a guy most of us would want to hang out with.
I read that in racism as : an architect Stanford white (person) lmao
Did you notice the carpet in Sid's house?
It's based on Kubrick's The Shining.
Too many Jake and Amit fans on Reddit lol
It was just a socialite prank, bro
Which was turned into an amazing musical that is well overdue for a revival, imho.
Brad Dourif is the secret ingredient in everything. Also, is the guy immortal?
*sees culprit with literal smoking gun in plain sight
Gentlemen, this man has died under the most mysterious circumstances and the murderer may be hiding among us like a wolf in sheep's clothing!
Oh my God, men are more likely to transmit STDs, but...patriarchy.
I found my people!
Wait, this ISN'T Phantom of the Opera!
Man... this guy is really committed to the bit.
Wheeeeeeeeeeeee!
I worked in theater for many years, and it’s easily my favorite musical of the last 30 years. The music is gorgeous, and the story and the characters are beautifully translated to the stage.
Sadly it hit Broadway at exactly the wrong time. It won Best Book, Best Score, and Best Orchestrations at the 1998 Tony Awards, but lost Best Musical to The Lion King. I’m still confused as to how the show with the best book, score, and orchestrations wasn’t the best musical of the year, but what do I know?
Perfectly put
This story was a rollercoaster
YouTube has always existed
Opposite for me. Was excited thinking dude wanted justice for his wife. Nope, he thought of her rapist as his competition.
But people are saying they killed the wrong dude. You guys caught that white was a prolific child predator, right? Kind of a shame more people didn’t get a shot at him.
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did you see the size of those batteries inserted into his back end?
Lincoln got shot in the back of the hed.
For the latter point, wouldn't that only apply to the first child, and even then, only if it was concieved immediately after the wedding night?
Sounds like a "Among Us" Round I was part of.
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Just chiming in as a reminder that there’s no “better rape” and being “drugged” doesn’t make being raped OK because you “don’t remember it”. Ignorance seems like bliss but no rape is bliss so let’s remember to not minimize victims or lead men to believe they’re “doing us a favor” by drugging us first.
Affluenza was different back then
My friend's great uncle got a job there after the murder. They were still working on White's projects, but without him.
Well, duh! Of course no rape is good.
There is still a huge difference between waking up once from something you can't even remember and being subjected to psychological and physical terror and pain fully conscious for two weeks straight. Which is what her husband did to her.
The guy swho drug women are also not doing it a s favour, they are doing it because they are cowards who don't want a fight.
What a sentence!
TopAbies9056 OP t1_ixcw3vr wrote
This is the case for those who aren't aware...
Who was Evelyn Nesbit?
She was a model and in December 1900 she came to New York City with nothing but her looks, and became an overnight sensation in the city, she was absolutely everywhere.
While she dancing in a chorus, she regularly met men who offered her gifts and dinners. Being so young, she usually turned the men down, as they were often much older but eventually she got the attention of a much older wealthy socialite named Stanford White
Stanford White was an architect most notable for the arch in Washington Square Park which is still there today and the second iteration of Madison Square Garden.
After seeing her dance in the chorus, White convinced one of Nesbit’s fellow chorus girls to bring her to his apartment on West 24th Street for a drink. Nesbit happily agreed, tempted by the invitation as a socialite was interested in her.
Over the next few weeks, Stanford White, 47 at the time, courted the 16-year-old Evelyn Nesbit and even gained the trust of her overprotective mother. Then, as was destined to happen from the beginning, White took advantage of her
While her mother was away for the weekend, White invited Nesbit to his apartment by lying that there was a party. After drinking some champagne, Nesbit awoke naked in White’s bed with her legs covered in blood. When she cried out, White comforted her and told her not to tell anyone.
Enter Harry Thaw
He met Evelyn some years later and the two eventually got married, but he is said to have been physically and mentally abusive towards her, maybe more then White (poor girl couldn't catch a break) and he eventually learned what White had done to Evelyn.
Then one day Thaw and Evelyn went to a play together in Madison Square Garden. As everyone was settled in their seats Thaw stood up and made a beeline for White. Pulling a pistol from his coat, he fired three shots at White from less than two feet away. Two hit the back of his head, the third hit his shoulder.
White fell to the ground as Thaw stood over him holding the pistol.
At first, no one understood what had happened, as party tricks amongst high society playboys was a common occurrence at public gatherings. However, when audience members noticed that Stanford White was missing half of his face, they began to panic.
“I did it because he ruined my wife!” Harry Thaw yelled, brandishing his pistol. “He had it coming to him! He took advantage of the girl and then deserted her!”
There was a long trial afterwards that I won't go into detail about, but you get the gist of the situation.