Submitted by 54_actual t3_zxmwg6 in todayilearned
“Was later accused of…”
He said “his planting of evidence was at the urging of his superiors.”
Sounds like him planting evidence is just a fact.
To try to be completely accurate, this seems like a legal issue, and nothing is ever cemented until proven in court when it’s legal. It’s like how tectonic plates are a “theory” in science despite the evidence being highly compelling for them. We can’t, as of yet, scientifically test them so they remain a theory rather than law (iirc). It’s a system thing, even though it seems like it’s so obvious.
The scientific definition of a theory is different from a literary one. When you have a hypothesis and through repeated testing it's proven to be highly probable that it is the case then with the proper mathematical or chemical backing (depending in which field the discovery is) it is elevated to the status of a theory which is the highest it can go and the laws are postulates that help the theory work. For example, Newton's theory of gravitation states that two objects a distance apart are attracted to eachother and have a force acting on eachother that is proportional to the product of their masses and inverse to the square of the distance between them and the law of gravity is Gm1m2/r² with G being the universal gravitational constant. Laws are not of a higher status than a theory but parts of a theory.
Gotcha, I understood “law” as a theory that is repeatable and testable. Maybe I was taught wrong, but something is a theory, no matter the amount of theoretical evidence, until it can be proven law (and this proof is more along the lines of the scientific method. Mathematical evidence, for example, cannot establish something as law).
Ah don't worry, yeah you were probably taught wrong but in a scientific context a repeatable and testable educated guess is called a hypothesis which on recieving further evidence becomes a theory which will be our new understanding of it but the caveat is that you can never be 100% sure and scientists have the humility to say that they too can be wrong and call it a theory. However that doesn't discredit their work as some phenomenon stated as fact today are still theories. For example gravity, plate tectonics, thermodynamics, evolution, genetics, etc. The laws are like the important points of a theory as to what happens.
Gotcha. I knew theories were solid, but definitely misunderstood the role of law. Thank you!
I told my girlfriend it meant "spaghetti thief" but she's smart I can't get anything pasta
Marinate her
I will be putting a rigatoni on her finger!
Put penne to paper
I will, orzo it will seem
Anyone else wonder if this is where Terry Pratchett got his idea for a Night Watchman named Nobby Knobs? Because that’s straight where MY brain went lol.
Nobby was a common nickname for law enforcement types, it came from British Soldiers who served in India in offices/admin. Nobi is Hindu for clerk.
Those officers would come back and get jobs in law enforcement and so the nickname transferred over. I’m not saying Pratchett didn’t name the character after Piltcher, but there was precedent already for police, particularly those more interested in bureaucracy and formality being called Nobby.
Pratchett's Nobby was definitely not the desk job type... nor the job type... nor was he certainly 100% human.
Do you have a source for any of that? I can't find anything resembling the supposed Hindu word, nor any use of "nobby" for cops.
Perhaps you are thinking of the association of the nickname Nobby with the name Clark (which is derived from clerk)? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobby
Yes - I see the name nobby and police officer together and immediately think of the knights watch novels
Glad I’m not alone here!!
Nope. Nerdy bookworms unite!
Ook.
I don't think that's actually true, though. "I Am the Walrus" was written in 1967, a year before Pilcher arrested Lennon. And the same article mentions a more likely connection:
> John Lennon and Paul McCartney began writing a play about a Liverpudlian man who thought he was God titled "Pilchard," but they abandoned the project.
A pilchard is also a type of herring, essentially a sardine. What does "semolina pilchard" mean and what does it have to do with the Eiffel Tower? I don't know, but I don't think we're actually supposed to understand it. I feel like a core part of the song is Lennon taunting the people who loved analyzing Beatles' lyrics by writing a song that was deliberately incomprehensible and layered with in-jokes.
Thanks, I was scrolling to see if anyone would catch that discrepancy in the timeframe! Hard to have the inspiration for a song take place after the song's release.
Thank you for doing the research. Too often people are desperate to attribute meanings to some of the Beatles songs. Not everything has to have a hidden agenda. Like an Edward Lear poem - sometimes nonsense is fun and evocative on its own.
Anyway - like you say, the dates simply don’t add up. Shame your post isn’t getting more upvotes. I guess the conspiracy and mystery is more important than the truth!
Okay but explain the Semolina.
I don't practice semolina
I ain't got no matzo balls
I had a million baguettes but I
I ate them all
This band must be investigated.
if i could find that bagel and that pretzel that she found
i’d put mustard on that pretzel and i’d munch it alll down
Say “Seargant Norman Pilcher” out loud a few times
Seargant Norman Pilcher Semolina Pilchard
Same number of syllables. Sounds similar.
Pilchard made some really good pudding?
He probably didn't like all that long hair. My dad would've got along with him just fine
Wish I could go back in time and hear that song for the first time again
Really? That's what you'd do with the gift of time travel? You'd go back and listen to "I am the Walrus"?
He could multitask
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If you have a lead pipe and willingness to do me dirty I'll give ya me address, you'll be responsible for your own travel, I can't know when it's coming.
WHILE SHOOTING HITLER
Why? What else would time travel be good for? I mean, other than listening to cool music again for the first time, right?
Sgt. Pilcher, Sgt. Pilcher, ingenious Sgt. Pilcher
He's found a way to make them pay
For the deviant things they do and say
He’s a ditiful man with a task at hand.
I always wanted to know that
DavoTB t1_j21e3x0 wrote
Sgt. Norman Pilcher, (1935-2021) had a celebrated career of targeting and busting pop stars, including John Lennon and Yoko Ono, George and Pattie Harrison, and members of the Rolling Stones. Pilcher was, however, later accused of planting evidence in later years. Several stars complained that drugs had been “found” in places where the drugs had not been kept. George Harrison’s “stash” was allegedly found in a shoe, yet George noted that he was “a tidy person,” and the drugs found “weren’t his.” The arrests of several of these musicians sometimes plagued their careers for many years.
He was convicted to four years’ imprisonment following mid-70’s conspiracy charges. In his 2020 book, “Bent Coppers,” he alleged there was corruption throughout the police agency, and that his planting evidence was at the urging of his superiors.
In addition to Lennon’s mention in the song, “I Am The Walrus,” Sgt. Norman was also the inspiration for the character “Spiny Norman,” in the Monty Python “Piranha Brothers” sketch.