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killerklixx t1_j1pa8cd wrote

Reply to comment by Barkalow in TIL Sigmund Freud made the decision to flee Austria after his daughter Anna was interrogated by the Gestapo for nearly 12 hours. He was able to buy safe passage out of Austria just in time with 31,000 Reich marks in 1938 by Ok_Copy5217

Wow, that's a lot more than I would have expected.

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firebat45 t1_j1qcgbo wrote

Keep that in mind when people say "well why didn't the Jews just leave Germany before the Holocaust?"

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johnn48 t1_j1qn1w4 wrote

Countries are notoriously reticent about refugees. The US viewed refugees as security risk’s and turned away Jewish refugees routinely. The most infamous was the German Liner St Louis with 900 Jewish refugees fleeing Nazi Germany. Ultimately they were refused asylum in America and Canada and returned to Europe where Britain, France, and other countries gave them asylum. Unfortunately 254 died in the Holocaust.

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sonia72quebec t1_j1r1ylf wrote

What happened to them is a tragedy. As a Canadian I'm truly ashamed.

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UsmcFatManBear t1_j1rpf6z wrote

Just wait till you find out what Canada did to native Americans

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sonia72quebec t1_j1rtxlq wrote

That’s why religion shouldn’t be mixing with politics.

The Catholic Church dominated part of the Country and they did horrors to “save” people. They also did terrible things to French Canadian orphans. Putting some children with for exemple, only a stutter into Asylums, not giving them any education or good care, just because the Government was given them more money for taking care of them.

The others were on the same type of orphanage as the natives. Physical abuse, starvation, sexual abuse… all in the name of God.

My Uncle was in one of these orphanage and they were practically starved. And lots of them were sexually abused by these monsters. He said to me that he was lucky to be an ugly child. (He got 20K as an apology)

When I see what the religious right is doing in the US about abortion, I’m terrified to what will became of all those unwanted children. (Because we all know that rich people will continue to have abortions)

They won’t all get adopted that’s for sure. Will we see those huge Orphanage come back?

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DefenestrationPraha t1_j1qdrnv wrote

It was even worse than that. Some of the Jews settled in Germany were citizens of other countries (Poland, Lithuania etc.), which were nevertheless anti-Semitic enough to either deny them passports outright or at least tarry when issuing them. So even if you wanted to move out of Germany, you would lack the necessary papers to cross the border.

During the biggest crisis of this type, Poland refused to accept many thousands of its own citizens expelled by Germany, who were forced to stay in no-man's land at the border for months.

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sonia72quebec t1_j1r1mnu wrote

A lot of Country didn't want Jewish people. Even the US had quotas. " In 1938, more than 300,000 Germans —mostly Jewish refugees —had applied for U.S. visas (entry permits). A little over 20,000 applications were approved." Source

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Johannes_P t1_j1s28vc wrote

There was an entire conference where no one accepted to take Jewish refugees on 1938.

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empfindsamkeit t1_j1snv6k wrote

Waiting until 1938 to leave was probably a lot more expensive than leaving in, say, 1933. It didn't cost $300K to travel abroad back then. It probably involved smuggling and/or bribery, and may have been determined based on his ability to pay. It says in the article friends were urging him to leave earlier and he didn't heed them until it was almost too late.

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Careful_Yannu t1_j2379tj wrote

IIRC Germany tried taxing (well, seizing the property of) fleeing rich Jews to fund the deportation of poorer Jews. This isn't an attempt at whitewashing Nazi Germany, it was the most practical solution at the time for getting rid of the most Jews. However so few countries accepted them, or rather many countries that did were soon to be invaded and annexed anyway, that..."evacuation" to the East was the second solution, followed by...well. We all know what they picked next...

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ZwischenzugZugzwang t1_j1pwz3k wrote

You wouldn't believe what people are willing to pay when they're fleeing certain doom

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usrevenge t1_j1q5k7d wrote

Yea but most of us not only don't have that kind of money but couldn't even get that amount in a loan.

If I sold everything I had maxed out my credit cards and made applications for a few more I doubt I'd have 100k.

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ZwischenzugZugzwang t1_j1q5n43 wrote

The Holocaust was bad.

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gilly_90 t1_j1qlaj7 wrote

Hot take.

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HammerandSickTatBro t1_j1rerin wrote

You joke, but holocaust deniers have been a staple of discussion in a bunch of places, and still wine and dine with former (or sometimes current!) heads of state now

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Fskn t1_j1rebax wrote

You know what, I was on the fence but you've convinced me.

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dementiadaddy t1_j1q7ndg wrote

Luckily we don’t have to escape the gestapo.

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foozballisdevil t1_j1qg0db wrote

Don't they call themselves proud boys now?

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the_blessed_unrest t1_j1rbsre wrote

Yeah except the proud boys are not nearly as bad. Like not even remotely close.

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HammerandSickTatBro t1_j1rfman wrote

They have way less state-invested authority for sure. Not no authority (their buddies in police forces frequently let them get away with or condone shit like the intimidation and violence which the proud boys frequently engage in). The could develop into full blown deputized brown shirts pretty easily and quickly. But most branches of law enforcement in the u.s. and Canada already have secret police, and given the key part that police have played and are playing in the current fascist upsurge, I doubt they would require or allow the Proud Boys to encroach on their turf by becoming like the Gestapo.

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nim_opet t1_j1sb5uk wrote

Texas is creating a register of transgendered people. Lists are easy to expand…

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Johannes_P t1_j1s23u9 wrote

Freud had plenty supporters ready to crowdfund his escape.

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Ok_Copy5217 OP t1_j1sjjsk wrote

imagine how much crowdfunding Freud would have raised and more lives saved if his supporters made a Freud Gofundme

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WebbityWebbs t1_j1qc7sn wrote

It’s disgusting what people will charge to save people from certain doom.

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Terkan t1_j1qgat8 wrote

What they will charge risking super torture and certain doom if they are caught…

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svmk1987 t1_j1qf4f4 wrote

You're feeling certain death from death camps and eminent war. It's not surprising aomeone will take advantage and make a shit ton of money from desperate people. You should see how much people smugglers make even today.

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Terkan t1_j1qifef wrote

It isn’t even taking advantage of it, they are taking a massive risk with their own lives. If a SINGLE person you helped gets caught you and your family are mega super dead now.

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Captcha_Imagination t1_j1r6wx3 wrote

Most refugees leave their entire lives behind.....including entire companies, homes, etc...

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