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smokeythemechanic t1_j8dbugv wrote

Not a climate change denier, but I can tell you EV cars being built account for as much pollution to be made as driving a V8 100k miles. Battery tech is still 25 years from being clean enough to make the switch. So all the smug assholes in their Teslas and Rivians can preach all they want, but they are as bad as the guy buying a Ram 3500 gas powered to commute in. Want real change, target gross amounts of gases released including consumer goods, ships, planes, trains, busses, factories worldwide and power generation world wide. Otherwise shut the fuck up and quit stirring the pot.

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VermontZerg t1_j8detxq wrote

Yea no, EV'S from battery to finish line 2400/2800KG of Co2 equivalent where as Gasoline is 12,549KG of Co2 Equivalent, and on top of that, these batteries are recycled.

From Start of Manufacturing, Conventional Cars still produce more emissions

Stop spreading misinformation.

A gas cars lifetime GHG is 350gram/per mile where as in an EV'S entire lifetime its 140/Per Mile, including battery manufacturing.

EPA GHG Emissions for Gas and Electric

Most electronic vehicles run better, and perform better in pretty much every way.

Also, you're not accounting for all of the other stuff required to make a regular combustion engine run, and everything else that is constantly needed to be produced for them, including an insane amount of oil.

The transportation of unrefined oil, to refined oil, to back into a vehicle, to delivery, to the oil in your car, to the gasoline in your car etc.

Facts over feelings.

FACT: Electric vehicles typically have a smaller carbon footprint than gasoline cars, even when accounting for the electricity used for charging.

FACT**: The greenhouse gas emissions associated with an electric vehicle over its lifetime are typically lower than those from an average gasoline-powered vehicle, even when accounting for manufacturing.**

Electric vehicles (EVs) have no tailpipe emissions. Generating the electricity used to charge EVs, however, may create carbon pollution. The amount varies widely based on how local power is generated, e.g., using coal or natural gas, which emit carbon pollution, versus renewable resources like wind or solar, which do not. Even accounting for these electricity emissions, research shows that an EV is typically responsible for lower levels of greenhouse gases (GHGs) than an average new gasoline car.

"Otherwise, shut the fuck up and quit stirring the pot" as you say.

Why spout bullshit you pulled out of your ass?

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smokeythemechanic t1_j8dhape wrote

So mining the raw materials has zero impact to the net CO2 ? Because everything to keep a V8 on the road is all tallied into running a V8 for 100000 miles, calculating what batteries put off once created is great and all, but that's not a true measure. Also not to mention the batteries on a Prius are recycled as they used whole material vs plates material. Plating zinc with a tiny bit of cobalt for a lithium battery is what's happening now, when exactly are people gonna recycle for trace amounts of materials? Like we can't even get people on board with recycling bottles and cans that have a deposit on them here in VT never mind the rest of the country that largely does zero recycling.

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VermontZerg t1_j8dhoht wrote

You literally ignored the message that stated that it included ALL the manufacturing from start to finish, including transportation.

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I_producethis t1_j8di9fl wrote

Yo totally agree with you about targeting other emissions from consumer goods (HUGE contributor to emissions), plains, trains, etc. BUT you're wrong about the EV thing - this has been proven time and time again, they are much cleaner from cradle to grave than something like a ram 3500, literally no contest. You're talking an enormous lifetime of tailpipe emissions, combined with all fossil fuels required for manufacturing, combined with the process of getting and refining crude oil, combined with shipping all of that.

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