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HappilyhiketheHump t1_j5urrid wrote

Reply to comment by HardTacoKit in self-defense effectively being banned in Vermont. by Northwoods01

Yeah, cause mass shooters follow laws. smh

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[deleted] t1_j5us084 wrote

Take the murder laws off the books then. Only criminals follow them after all

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TheJesterScript t1_j65zhlm wrote

How is that a logical response to that statement?

I get tired explaining this. His point is more laws restricting/banning firearms won't stop it.

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[deleted] t1_j66ek24 wrote

You don’t know what logic means, do you?

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_foxmotron_ t1_j5v49kn wrote

So we should legalize all drugs then?

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Howard_Scott_Warshaw t1_j5v88ie wrote

I think you're starting to get it. If heroin were legal tomorrow, would you start shooting up?

Who won the war on drugs? The US, or drugs?

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Belastin t1_j5ve4o6 wrote

Honestly yes?

Treat it like it is, a health problem. If you’re an addict why not just give them the real deal. All they’re going to do is find an alternative that is 90% more harmful to their health.

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joeydokes t1_j5wk6np wrote

Man, I so wish people in charge would get that message!

Legalize all drugs, eliminate the criminality from the addiction and treat it as the health problem it is.

Make opium (smoke it) and coca (chew it) available at medicinal/rec head shops and track it like pot.

Pay off-duty cops to deliver heroin to serious junkies; free and conditional to getting weekly counseling.

Sounds crazy, I know; but anything that breaks the cycle of addiction->crime and lightens the burden on the courts/police has to stop making too much sense!

(Or, ... follow the $)

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_foxmotron_ t1_j5vek53 wrote

whispers I agree, but I like to see the mental gymnastics people put themselves through to explain why it’s different.

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joeydokes t1_j5wkgmf wrote

Yes. Sadly there's too much ill gotten gain at stake for that to ever happen.

Money is what's preventing it more than it being a bad idea.

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HardTacoKit t1_j5uv4h3 wrote

OK, well I’m sure your “thoughts and prayers” will work soon. Let’s do nothing and hope they do (While every other fucking country in the world doesn’t have this problem because of their effective gun control laws).

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HappilyhiketheHump t1_j5v6gjc wrote

Please list the gun laws that criminals are currently following. I’ll wait.

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Belastin t1_j5vdwd2 wrote

You’re right let’s ban guns and get all 800 million off the streets. Seems like a totally reasonable and doable undertaking.

Also since I put up my no trespassing and no stealing signs on my property all crime has magically stopped! I’m so glad the goverment made stealing illegal, now there will be no more theft ever

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joeydokes t1_j5wja49 wrote

Those countries w/out GV, or much violence in general, have much stronger social safety nets. Our country was F'in built on guns and violence (and drugs). The same "I come first" attitude that permits billionaires to decide our future.

Inner city GV (+addictions) is a reflection of 100yrs of repression that's only recently (40yrs) spread into burbs and hinterland. A "War on Guns" is going to resemble our "War on Drugs"; reinforcing and militarizing the police State.

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Consistent-Raccoon42 t1_j5uyuo5 wrote

I wouldn't say every country. I mean there's Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Yema just to name a few.

I'm all for a longer waiting period. However, the idea that taking away guns from everyone will not help us.

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