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Dear_Art_5845 t1_iu5rei4 wrote

That is false. It costs me $10/day to go from Rockville to Cleveland park. Driving that distance does not cost $50/week, not even factoring in insurance, maintenance, and gas. I use the metro now because it’s ecologically better, not because it’s affordable. It really isn’t.

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sciencecw t1_iu5unsx wrote

How much is parking for you?

Honestly it just shows the complete breakdown of economic model if metro isn't even strictly cheaper than cars on direct trips (not to mention the huge subsidies).

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Dear_Art_5845 t1_iu5w3lm wrote

My workplace has parking. If it’s full, the zone 3 ticket would be prohibitive for sure. That brings up another factor: I have to leave before 7 AM or I’m not guaranteed to arrive on time via metro. The delays are way too unpredictable, so I need to leave time for those. Typically when I do drive it’s because I haven’t left by 7 and can’t trust I’d arrive by 8:15 due to unforeseen delays (this includes the walking parts, tbf).

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Xanny t1_iu6aep2 wrote

The US subsidizes the hell out of cars, you barely pay for the roads, gas taxes are extremely low among western nations, and annual vehicle fees are, in some states, an inspection, some a registration, etc, but they are rarely more than $50 a year per vehicle.

It also hurts that charging fares the way they do disincentivzes participation. Its harder to do, but as it is the marginal cost of adding people to most lines at most times is near zero given the train is already going to run and be maintained, and thus the added cost burden per added passenger is tiny up to capacity. IE, you want full trains, but not overcrowded trains.

Since the trains will always run, if there is a line that isn't regularly nearing capacity, then fares should be reduced to attract ridership up to that threshold. The problem is that seeing the macroeconomic effect of cheaper transit can take years or decades as areas served by cheaper fares are included to build denser and accommodate the demand for the cheaper transit. But it goes both ways - when the trains feel more expensive, slower, or less reliable than cars, people gradually stop taking the train. When they are cheaper, reliable, and fast people gradually ride the train more, and the city is built around it more. But all these effects take decades to measure.

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sciencecw t1_iu82tvw wrote

> The problem is that seeing the macroeconomic effect of cheaper transit can take years or decades as areas served by cheaper fares are included to build denser and accommodate the demand for the cheaper transit.

I'll have to nitpick to say that 1. metro didn't open in last decade, 2. passenger trends are going down, not up, so the model is going in the opposite direction you argue it would, even when there were multiple programs to lower fares in the past decade 3. demand for housing has always been there. Developers don't wait for that demand to start. I'm sure you understand the real hurdle but it should be spelt out that these are due to poor land policy. Until that is fixed, Metrorail's economic model will not be viable.

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Gitopia t1_iu7co8z wrote

Cost waaaay more than 50/wk with a car payment.

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Dear_Art_5845 t1_iu7csff wrote

Car payment is avoidable. Going to work is less avoidable.

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Gitopia t1_iu8dklz wrote

Step 1: inherit car? Did you grow your car yourself?

Just trying to understand how you eliminate the literal cost of the car from the equation. I don't have to plunk down 6-8k minimum to ride transit.

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Dear_Art_5845 t1_iu8rnv5 wrote

Not that it’s any of your business but some people save up and buy decent used cars for not a lot of money. Some people also buy used clothes and don’t have credit cards. Crazy, right? Doesn’t change that $10/day for public transit from the closest semi-affordable suburb is too high a rate for many.

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Gitopia t1_iua7gl2 wrote

You are not listening to others. If you save up and buy a car that is financial cost, and if you saved 10k for a car over three years, that's an extra $277/mo you are ignoring. It is FAR more expensive to drive than take transit. Idk how else you are going to understand that.

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Dear_Art_5845 t1_iua8co4 wrote

Well, once upon a time ten years ago I bought a car for $3k. I didn’t live here at the time, but I’m still driving the car since I moved here. Feel free to compute.

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Gitopia t1_iuaaq91 wrote

I'm not even discrediting what you have done; I did the same and am grateful I don't have to buy a used car at today's prices. But bruh, be realistic in regard to others, all I'm suggesting.

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Dear_Art_5845 t1_iuac4xs wrote

My sole point is that the metro rates are too expensive and the system is not reliable enough. My experience has shown me that it’s reasonable for many in situations like mine to choose driving due to these factors. I don’t know anyone who is going out to buy a $10k used car to avoid riding the metro. Do you?

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