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Brickleberried t1_iy007wx wrote

Reply to comment by SquishWindow in The Exceptionally American Problem of Rising Roadway Deaths (includes a focus on pedestrian and cyclist deaths in DC) by woulditkillyoutolift

> This isn't crazy or dangerous unless there is cross traffic

lol, okay

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SquishWindow t1_iy00bi0 wrote

Have you ever looked both ways and jaywalked when there weren't any cars coming?

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Brickleberried t1_iy0100i wrote

So you think cars should be able to go through red lights too as long as they look both ways?

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SquishWindow t1_iy02t88 wrote

No, I don't.

Now answer my question - have you ever looked both ways and jaywalked when there weren't any cars coming?

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Brickleberried t1_iy09fht wrote

Of course. Why shouldn't I be able to do the same with a car though?

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stormcloudbros t1_iy0b902 wrote

Because a car typically weighs at least 3000 lbs and a driver has has far more limited ability to see or hear if they can safely cross than a person on foot, bike, or scooter.

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Brickleberried t1_iy0c2il wrote

It's actually pretty easy to see if anybody is approaching most of the time.

Edit: Well, since /u/stormcloudbros blocked me, I'll respond here:

> Then why do drivers keep getting in crashes?

That's a non sequitur. Thanks for playing.

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ccbmtg t1_iy06gip wrote

lmao and the good faith goes out the window.

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Brickleberried t1_iy09bkx wrote

How is the good faith out the window? The other person is saying it's not crazy for a biker to cross the street when nobody is looking because sometimes pedestrians jaywalk.

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ccbmtg t1_iy06ep8 wrote

it isn't. in fact, it's so normal that's it's outright on the books as legal in some states. it's called the Idaho stop. it must be commonplace in most areas so that they had to put it on record as legal.

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Brickleberried t1_iy09d48 wrote

Is it legal here?

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SquishWindow t1_iy0f06t wrote

Jaywalking is illegal here. Do you believe that jaywalking after you look both ways and see no cars coming is "crazy and dangerous"?

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Brickleberried t1_iy0jiti wrote

No more than cars doing it.

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SquishWindow t1_iy0muol wrote

Do you believe pedestrians jaywalking after looking both ways is "crazy and dangerous"? How come you can't give a clear yes or no answer to that very simple question?

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Brickleberried t1_iy0pr8i wrote

I'm saying it's the same for cars, bikes, and pedestrians. If you're going to say it's not crazy for pedestrians, I'm going to say it's not crazy for cars, and vice versa.

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SquishWindow t1_iy0qa52 wrote

You can't say whether it's crazy and dangerous for pedestrians to jaywalk after looking both ways? How can you be so confident in your argument when you can't even stand up to one simple yes or no question? That's pretty weak sauce.

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