Submitted by truce_m3 t3_10f8k77 in washingtondc
truce_m3 OP t1_j4vv1cj wrote
Reply to comment by NPRjunkieDC in Local farm to buy a cow? by truce_m3
I have a big enough freezer.
NPRjunkieDC t1_j4w3970 wrote
Great, but you might be aware that eating so much meat is not healthy
truce_m3 OP t1_j4w3iep wrote
noted.
Chaseyoungqbz t1_j4w7kz9 wrote
Eh. The studies on meat and its health effects usually cite relative risk rather than absolute risk. There’s quite a few other substances that have similar relative risk profiles and we never talk about them
NPRjunkieDC t1_j4w93h3 wrote
Excess protein is not healthy . Carbs like pastries aren't healthy either . Or Soda. But OP is talking about a cow . I didn't say that eating beef is the worst ecologically since this isn't exactly the point, I think .
Chaseyoungqbz t1_j4wa8yo wrote
True, eating protein as a primary substrate isn’t the healthiest because the body converts excess to sugar via a process in the liver known as gluconeogenesis. But in terms of cancer and heart disease - many of the studies are relative risks. Like 100 people eat little meat and 3 of them get colon cancer. 100 people eat a lot of meat and 4 gets cancer. That’s a 33% increase /s. This can be very scary for someone who doesn’t know better to read.
I never brought up ecology. Maybe you meant to reply to someone else
NPRjunkieDC t1_j4wawpv wrote
When you mentioned other substances were also very bad . In large numbers 33% is huge.
IMO it's not so much avoiding carbs but adding vegetables/salad at every meal if possible .
What about butter? I use it generously and am overweight but no sugar or lipid problems
Chaseyoungqbz t1_j4we0ky wrote
Generally, it’s better science to consider absolute risk, especially when many of these are meta review studies (AKA choose whatever studies support what I want to prove and make a portfolio of them.). You can see why this is an issue when you start with a belief and shape the studies to fit what the scientist wants, rather than interpret the data first to formulate a hypothesis. All of this varies study to study but I’ve seen quite a bit of bad science around this topic in particular.
I cannot say for certain but I likely use more butter than you. I am very generous with butter, ghee, and tallow. I am 58.5 pounds down (248.5 -> 190). I’d say beyond processed carbs, an issue for modern society is the extreme increase in omega 6 fats. In times of antiquity, humans would get about 1% of their calories from omega 6 fats. Now, western societies eat omega 6 at a breathtaking level. I can dig up some studies if you’d like but this high level of omega 6 can cause mitochondrial disfunction, less structurally sound cell membranes, and obesity.
Additionally, other mammals use high omega 6 to enter into a prehibernation state called torpor. Torpor is characterized by malaise, temperature reduction, and weight gain in preparation for hibernation. To me, it’s no coincidence that the average human temperature has gone down 1 degree Fahrenheit over the last 100 years, the rates of diseases of civilization up, and obesity up.
I have some sources from a group out of University of Cornell on all the above, if it’s something you’re interested in
NPRjunkieDC t1_j4wjk13 wrote
Many thx . I've read a lot since it's one of my favorite subjects. My husband is vegetarian + dairy . I stopped eating beef maybe 7 years ago. I eat eggs, occasionally shrimp and crabmeat , or chicken. Mostly eat animal protein when we eat out . I like pork too. My Dr asked me to do Prolon FMD once a month this year .
Chaseyoungqbz t1_j4wmbgd wrote
Nice! Prolon. That’s Dr Valter Longo’s company. He is legitimately one of the best longevity doctors in the world with a great portfolio of well done studies.
Your diet sounds great to me. If I could add any pointers about the omega 6, chicken and pork fat contain a fair amount due to the nasty feed they are fed in factory farming (soybeans/corn). That isn’t natural food that chicken or pigs would eat in the wild. I would recommend either leaner cuts of chicken and pork OR if you have a local farm that has pasteur raised then that would be the best. Appreciate chatting with you, it sounds like you and your husband have a nice healthy diet by the sounds of it!
le_carre_jamming t1_j4y6xu9 wrote
Replying only to say, this was an interesting and enjoyable conversation to read.
Chaseyoungqbz t1_j507dyj wrote
Thanks. I enjoyed having it. Anyone, feel free to DM me any questions you have about the above.
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