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ExtremePrivilege t1_jdu83fg wrote
Roxham road, baby.
An absolutely astonishing number of migrants cross there every year. Like tens of thousands if not over 100,000. If they cross at the nearby Champlain Border Crossing they get rejected because they’re not entering Canada legally, however if they WALK across the border at an illegal crossing, like Roxham Road, they can claim “Asylum” when they get arrested. As far as I know over 65% of Asylum seekers that cross at Roxham ultimately are granted Asylum, so it’s not like they’re lying. They’re mostly fleeing oppression in South America or Africa. But it’s a huge burden on the Canadian legal system and social services.
Naturally, the US government has been aware of Roxham Road for a decade, but why arrest these people on our side? Then they can claim Asylum here and they become our problem. So the US has turned a blind eye to these migrants, letting Canada get stuck with them.
Seems Trudeau has had enough.
TacTurtle t1_jduq8ra wrote
This fundamentally is the same argument and issue the US has with Central American asylum seekers refusing to request asylum in geographically closer countries to their original country of origin like Mexico, Guatemala, Belize, etc.
crankery t1_jdufw0b wrote
Plugging the loop hole kills a massive talking point for the opposition parties. The conservatives harped on and on about this for ages. Now that something has been done about it it’s been crickets from them.
graydf t1_jduht9o wrote
Why did it take so long to stop?
Devinmac t1_jdujuxg wrote
It's more than 1 country involved
FamousAsstronomer t1_jdvev2j wrote
It was signed almost a year ago. So again.. why did it take so long to stop?
Also, the original agreement was signed in 2004 and there were zero significant problems until Trudeau took office. Why?
Devinmac t1_jdvk12l wrote
The world changed, there is more and more migration, and the Americans weren't busing them to the border before. It's clearly the conservatives fault..... Stop dragging your knuckles.
FamousAsstronomer t1_jdw78sx wrote
You completed ignored the first question.
Your glib response to the second question deflects away from the first question but it doesn't address the change from a few hundred in 2015 to 21,000 in 2017. Try to look at the big picture and think a little harder. I await your "orange man bad" reply. Yawn.
Successful-Okra-1317 t1_jduumlp wrote
The wages where still about to rise but now they dont have to anymore because of the new cheap labor and they can even rise the rent.
autotldr t1_jdsqxdd wrote
This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 85%. (I'm a bot)
> A new US-Canada border deal meant to halt the flow of asylum seekers at unofficial border crossings has taken effect.
> The original 2004 agreement, the Safe Third Country Act, requires migrants to make an asylum claim in the first "Safe" country they reach, whether it is the US or Canada.
> Mr Biden's administration has also proposed to crack down on asylum seekers at the US southern border with Mexico by making it harder for migrants to claim asylum once Covid border controls lift in May. The proposal has met backlash from human rights groups.
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Emperor_Zar t1_jdu1dp5 wrote
So is this progress on strengthening our borders, correct?
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AreWeThereYet61 t1_jdx6qup wrote
Can Americans request asylum in Canada? Just curious.
JettisonGamer t1_jdtycra wrote
Lady Liberty enters chat.
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nat9191 OP t1_jdssrll wrote
In… why would they be trying to get out of Canada or the US?
TacTurtle t1_jduqfzb wrote
They are trying to asylum shop for high living standard countries more likely to grant asylum; right now Canada is accepting a way larger portion of asylum seekers than the US.
SendGock t1_jdtme5r wrote
As a trans person in the US. I can think of few reasons why countless of us will be trying to claim asylum in Canada over the next few years.
Superb_Nature_2457 t1_jdtp1z8 wrote
Maybe. Did you see that recent study about LGBTQ support across all states though? On average, 80% of the US approves of gay rights and protections. Even in the South, no state dipped below 65%.
There are still people who love us and people who will fight for us. The genocidal maniacs haven’t won yet.
senorali t1_jdujbc6 wrote
Relying on the goodwill of red state voters is a dangerous fucking game for LGBTQ people to play. Public approval polls are not an accurate indication of policy.
Superb_Nature_2457 t1_jdvezjx wrote
I grew up in a red state and live part of my time in a deep red area. Respectfully, they do matter. Before this manufactured culture war bullshit, Trans people, my community, made huge inroads towards public acceptance and equal rights through deep listening and outreach. I like to think that the echoes of that effort remain. The more the culture warriors pull this dangerous, pointless and cruel nonsense, the more independents they lose and the worse their chances of a full takeover get. If you’re a Republican and can’t get above 35% approval of your bullshit in Mississippi or Alabama? You fucked up.
I’m not saying there’s not danger. Obviously I feel it more than most. But it’s also important that we recognize the other side of the culture war: Us dehumanizing everyone who lives in an area we aren’t part of because a map says so. In reality, there are good people everywhere just like there are bigots everywhere, and there are far, far fewer bigots than they would have us believe. That’s important to remember.
senorali t1_jdw3xfn wrote
I live in a red state as well. The reason I'm reluctant to tell people it's going to be okay is because of the police. If they come to Texas and go to a town like Vidor, which was historically a Klan town, they are not safe calling the police for help if they don't visibly 'fit in'. Even when the attitudes of the general public change, and their voting habits change, the small town red state cops will still be small town red state cops.
Superb_Nature_2457 t1_jdwcpqz wrote
Oh, 1000% but that also goes for a lot of groups, you know? I wouldn’t call the cops for basically any reason unless I was fully comfortable with people dying, myself very much included. Unfortunately, that’s in issue in blue states as well.
SendGock t1_jdxyq2p wrote
If public approval polls meant anything, this culture war bullshit would not have been able to latch on and grow.
I mean you yourself are here acknowledging since it started your efforts have all but died and only echoes remain.
Superb_Nature_2457 t1_jdxzu7y wrote
No, I didn’t say they’ve died. They have definitely changed, but the same seeds we planted at still out there blooming.
Let’s be realistic about this: Bullshit wedge issues like this make very loud, very horrible people money. They give politicians easy distractions. There are a lot of people who have a good reason to gin this shit up. But just because bigots are loud doesn’t mean that’s who we are or how it’s always going to be. This fight has always been ugly, but it’s not hopeless.
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SendGock t1_jdxndee wrote
The support in a poll means nothing if it doesn't show in legislature or culture. Which it doesn't. I think they have won, and while it's still worth fighting, the reality is far grimmer.
Also looking like, thanks to the RESTRICT act, any future conservative president will be able to ban any and all queer positive stuff from all social media.
Superb_Nature_2457 t1_jdxoh7x wrote
It does show in culture. At least from what I’ve seen and experienced. It absolutely sucks that conservatives have decided to use us as the new scapegoat, but we now have representation and acceptance I never dreamed of when I was a kid. I openly wept the day I finally admitted who I was to myself because I was convinced no one would ever know what being non-binary is and no one would ever love a non-binary person, and now we have non-binary politicians, non-binary romance on popular shows, allies willing to fight alongside us, etc. The Govenor of Kentucky vetoed an anti-trans bill. Kentucky. 10 years ago, I would have called you insane for even suggesting that possibility.
This shit lost them 2022, and based on the polls, it’s about to lose them 2024 the same way. Way too many people now know out LGBTQ folks or have LGBTQ family members. These assholes have been exploiting a broken system for decades. They were exactly this deadly and hateful to every other minority who’s been in their sights. Americans are tired of it. You Americans especially. Even their own supporters — the real people, not the bots and grifters — are starting to recognize that this shit is a distraction.
SendGock t1_jdxsexa wrote
I wanna believe, but I am in the opposite camp where I understand Trans people are actively under the threat or actually being genocided currently in America.
I mean in TN trans people have been banned from going in public.
Superb_Nature_2457 t1_jdy122u wrote
Yeah, no doubt it’s grim, but they were always going to try this shit. They’re also attacking cis women or anyone else with a uterus, minorities, etc. Folks see the writing on the wall.
The other saving grace is that we have a better alternative to offer. We have the labor movement, and that legit has the chance to unify people. We have a common cause to rally around.
SendGock t1_jdxy8m2 wrote
And to follow up. That shooter really fucked trans people hard. They now have a piece of evidence in their claim that trans people are a threat to children and broader society as a whole. They will use this as justification to ban trans people total access to schools, to take away their guns, and to commit retributive justice against LGBTQ+ people. But It doesn't need to be true for lawmakers to take away trans rights, and for fascists to step up their street violence. No matter what, people are going to try and make this about trans people being inherently violent. This is going to either cause people to want us to be disarmed, or it's going to cause violence.
This could be their Reichstag Fire moment, to no longer just encourage isolation but to advocate for full genocide.
Superb_Nature_2457 t1_jdy0o0c wrote
Yeah, it’s certainly a scary time, but the way I see it, those people were always going to find an excuse to hate us and try to kill us. It’s probably morbid, but I made peace with that a long time ago. Realistically though, this could also be like every other American mass shooting: a statistic and forgotten within a week.
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nat9191 OP t1_jdstpgv wrote
What danger are you seeking asylum from?
Peelboy t1_jdsuoq5 wrote
His wife, she found out he has another family, there's murder in her eyes.
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Not-a-Dog420 t1_jdsuv90 wrote
Canada does/did take LGBT/minorities who faced persecution in the US
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Derangedcity t1_jdt767c wrote
I’m not sure what you think that source shows? It just shows that around 200-400 Americans requested status in Canada per year from e.g. 2020-2022. No mention of reason
darkpen t1_jdt7kbo wrote
It shows that no US citizen has been approved for asylum for at least 10 years.
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>Canada does/did take LGBT/minorities who faced persecution in the US
atomiccheesegod t1_jdstutr wrote
Trump may be out of office, but his policies live on
Mnalghrenn t1_jdsv218 wrote
Oh please...
that_yeg_guy t1_jdtpwjd wrote
Someone has no idea what this policy and article are about.
rylalu t1_jduosyh wrote
U.S. Is Said to Consider Reinstating Detention of Migrant Families
Biden administration promises to end family Detention
Look I know it's uncomfortable but Credit card Biden is not the great guy people always make him out to be. The original child predator guy, attacking inner-city youth violence as his justification for the 3 strikes law. Since then only 13% of the country is african american but over 30% in jail are african americans and less than 67% have been convicted of anything. Average is a 3 year wait for trial. 50% of all charges are for non violent drug offenses. Amazingly has improved more than I realized but still dystopian.
Just watch his justification to let City bank adjust CC interest rates without notifying the card holder. To like 17% a month. After that the credit card debt crisis which had a back bone in the dot com crash but no one talks about.
I watched this on C-span as a kid. Also when he and Hillary took the floor to tell the American people why the democrats needed to support the Iraq war. Bernie and Warren were the only two members who voted against it.
Bidens cabinet in the senate worked with Republicans to draft the patriot act overnight and pass it. How the hell did they even do that things thicker than my microwave. Staffers have said most of that legislation had already been drafted and was ready for deployment. Hillary voted to refund it everytime while Bernie voted no everytime.
Or the fact that Biden and McConnell were best freinds in the senate and ate lunch together every day. I mean come on.
They were never Trumps border policies when he came into office. He just expanded on them and made him his own. Is Said to Consider Reinstating Detention of Migrant Families which will incarcerate children again. I admit I was mistaken here. Things actually changed since 2020.
Biden and Obama and Trump and Kerry and Bush all took money from that company who built the prisons under the Obama administration. Nobody cares. Unless it supports there view.
I must admit when I learned that the expansion of the border prisons had happened under Obama who had the largest number of deportations that year not to mention imprisoned journalists. I felt sick and lost. I've seen the ice cops out here man just ridiculous. Plain clothes driving Hondas. Just off. Seen those guys handcuffing kids myself.
Republicans suck. These days really suck but if you're just going to give the people in office unchecked unobstructed power when it's your team in office they will take advantage of you. Even if you don't believe it. They are all working for The corporate donor classes interest.
*edit for prison data. *children separation may begin again mistakenly I meant family Detention which still puts kids in jail
- various mistakes and clerical errors.
what-the-puck t1_jdv1uje wrote
What even? You start out by saying 10% of people in the U.S. are in jail which is obviously not true. It's like half of one percent.
You say 75% of people are in jail for non-violent drug offenses, but ALL drug offenses add up to less than 50%, let alone nonviolent ones.
I scrolled down and saw you saying that children are separated from families at the U.S. border. That's a total false equivalency. People were really mad about Trump's policy to separate every single child from every family member, even with documented evidence to show they were related. The idea was that's such a horrible experience no parent would willingly do it. Let that sink in. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_administration_family_separation_policy
That was rescinded when the courts were about to rule that if the government separated families it had to put them back together again - and the government forgot to have any plan whatsoever to do that. The courts did rule in that way. The government STILL hasn't managed to reunite all families.
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Dessert-fathers t1_jdsuk67 wrote
US-Canada agree to close loop hole
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