Submitted by KimCureAll t3_yhatlv in worldnews
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turtmcgirt t1_iucz1di wrote
Foxconned wisconsin for billions
Phytanic t1_iud7hnu wrote
We all knew it was gonna happen, but Scott walker is a dumbass and he pushed it through. I still occasionally see "jobs" posted for them but it's well known here that they just don't exist
Mayhewbythedoor t1_iudf2b2 wrote
Was he dumb or did he achieve exactly what he wanted to?
SuperSpread t1_iudo6px wrote
Yes
Inevitable_Egg4529 t1_iuds2wm wrote
I know 2 people that work there. They literally do nothing all day at the racine area campus. One is a "programmer" He used to run the CNC routers at work. The other guy is in maintenance.
Phytanic t1_iudvj9i wrote
> They literally do nothing all day
I've had a job like that before and it's truly miserable. i would, quite literally, show up to work for days and even weeks at a time and do nothing but sit on my phone because there was nothing to do.
Lumpyyyyy t1_iue128d wrote
Seems like a great time to get paid to learn a new trade/skill
Gtp4life t1_iuf1tik wrote
Agreed, bring a laptop and get in some classes. I’m sure plenty of college students would love to be paid to sit in a room and do the classes they were already in anyway.
Ok_Yogurtcloset8915 t1_iugag6w wrote
this depends on exactly what kind of nothing you're paid to do. if they leave you alone and don't pay attention, it's grand. if they do pay attention so you have to look busy while doing nothing, it's misery.
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Mirenithil t1_iue5w4p wrote
Yeah, agreed. I had a job like that too in the years before the internet was a thing, and I read so. many. books. You know a job is going to be stupendously boring when the bosses provide a TV for you to watch.
Modal_Window t1_iug3xs4 wrote
If the pay's decent, that actually sounds kind of awesome to me.
Joshua__Michael t1_iug3k3k wrote
I live about 10 minutes away from the Foxconn campus. It’s like a ghost town. Two gigantic buildings, and like 20 cars in the parking lots
Inevitable_Egg4529 t1_iug45od wrote
Drive by it to work. Yeah.
Law-of-Poe t1_iudfpm1 wrote
I find it so strange how leaders in the Republican Party literally con Republican voters out of millions of their hard earned money and those same Republican voters just cheer harder for the people who conned themselves.
I know they resent the rest of the world calling them idiots but it’s almost like they’re begging for it
papazotl t1_iufp3kn wrote
Easier to cheer like you're in on it than admit you were fleeced.
prettybeach2019 t1_iughfz7 wrote
Same way unions force you to pay them and they support democrats
Law-of-Poe t1_iuhcums wrote
No I’m talking about actual convicted grifters. Facts, not feelings. Bannon was convicted of grifting Republican voters out of their hard earned money. Then trump pardoned Bannon for his crime of grifting Republican voters. And now Republican voters are such idiots that they wildly support the guy who pardoned the criminal who grifted them.
Unions, while you feel that you don’t approve of them, ensure better living wages for members. This is a fact.
These two things are not the same
PairOpen t1_iucsymo wrote
And Foxconn is a Taiwanese co.
Phytanic t1_iud7cl8 wrote
Dude fuck Foxconn. all those worker suicides, and their general treatment towards the workers is despicable.
Also fuck Scott walker for being swindled out of 10 billion dollars by Foxconn, who was supposed to make a factory here in WI nearly a decade ago.
EDIT: Apparently we managed to get it reduced to merely 8 million dollars now, so that's nice
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KimCureAll OP t1_iucv7d3 wrote
So what does it mean for Foxconn that owns it? Probably on the books they own it, but it seems the Taiwanese owners have little say over workers' rights, policy, etc.
WordWord-1234 t1_iud8epa wrote
Too little say over workers right but too much say over profits. Why don't you save those innocent taiwanese owners and let me suffer this horrible powerless situation?
illusionmist t1_iudyv5b wrote
Which is run by local Chinese and has to abide by PRC law and policy, aka “COVID-zero” with endless PCR tests and keeping the workers in lockdown. Good thing they’re one of the companies working on moving out of China.
KimCureAll OP t1_iuctlwr wrote
I have often wondered how that business deal is going. I can't imagine smoothly, even before covid. Are all the employees Chinese in that location? Does Taiwan actually make any money with that factory or do Chinese officials rake in all the profits?
ConohaConcordia t1_iudpu0l wrote
It works the same way American factories overseas does: they abide to local laws, but other than that they set their own rules and extract their profits for the owners.
Foxconn has no choice but to enforce a zero-Covid policy, but they had plenty of choices to not treat their workers in a shitty way, and they had plenty of choice to not house every employee on campus and restrict their movements.
Don’t know why people think everything works differently when it comes to China.
Modal_Window t1_iug47qk wrote
That's kind of wild when you think about it.. I know these places are so huge with over 100,000 workers that they basically are company towns. But still, to be told that you may never leave the realm of Wal-Mart or something is just something else.
happyscrappy t1_iueabb6 wrote
When a new plant opens virtually all the laborers will be Chinese. Some of the low-level management may be Taiwanese. Higher level management is Taiwanese.
The Taiwanese low-level management and laborers are there to teach the new laborers and managers how to do it. And over time they leave and are replaced with Chinese.
So in a "mature" factory all the laborers and low-level management will be Chinese. And the upper management will be Taiwanese.
Yes, profits flow to Taiwan. Obviously a lot of the money generated stays in China as it goes into taxes, workers pockets or to suppliers who tend to be local.
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FlightAble2654 t1_iucubcj wrote
Gee let me thing real hard....$🤔
pinniped1 t1_iucw4y0 wrote
Horrifying.
KimCureAll OP t1_iucweyy wrote
Can you imagine working for that company with all the crap going on in China now with covid and Xi's zero-covid mandate and how workers there are treated to begin with??? It's a total nightmare.
Stilgar314 t1_iudq57b wrote
Zero COVID policy worked like a charm at the beginning, but now doesn't make any sense. China has the vaccine for years but COVID is still a problem there. At some point they lost the way big time.
sziehr t1_iuefqh0 wrote
The core issue is the vaccine they have is highly ineffective. They have yet to carbon clone the west’s vaccine yet. So they have no real defense against Covid ravaging there people. This is a pure political issue as the west would gladly license them the tech for a moderna style vaccine. They like Russia demanded it be home grown.
VastSpot1450 t1_iufkefo wrote
Remember when they were taunting the west by pumping out propaganda pictures and videos of their young people having huge parties while the west was still in "lockdown"? Now they look like a bunch of idiots.
oxencotten t1_iugonpb wrote
I don’t remember that at all?
UnderworldCircle t1_iue0c8j wrote
I would have expected it was because people in China distrusts the vaccines/the government and may not instead resort to bullshit like Chinese Traditional Medicines to prevent/cure COVID leading to lower than expected vaccination rates, making the government resort to alternate preventative measures such as Zero-Covid to prevent further additional hospitals and healthcare sectors being overwhelmed with covid patients.
TheTwinSet02 t1_iuf8idl wrote
You know when I used to go to China for work 10years or so ago no one I met had ever had acupuncture because they didn’t trust anyone and also thought the Chinese herbal medicines were covered in pesticides so didn’t use those either
The levels of distrust go deep
GoodAndHardWorking t1_iufs4ub wrote
Traditional Chinese Medicine doesn't have much of a tradition.. it's basically a meme discipline that incorporates some folk wisdom, pushed by the government to deny how far behind they are in actual medicine.
UnderworldCircle t1_iufv2hz wrote
Wikipedia states that anything resembling Traditional Chinese Medicines originated some 2000+ years ago, though I’d agree, the Chinese government would appropriate it to hide the fact during their reign their healthcare system at the time might not be up to scratch and pushed TCM to cover their asses in places they’d fall short on in public healthcare. Similar to how many kings, emperors, caliphs and popes throughout history would appropriate religion in order to give their constituents justification to go to war and kill ‘x,y,z’ people.
But no, I’d disagree, TCM factually has been around for far longer before the CCP even came into existence. I’d say it has a tradition
GoodAndHardWorking t1_iufwwxh wrote
TCM as it's understood/taught today was basically invented in the 1970s with a veneer of antiquity (these herbs have been used... since prehistory..)
Phssthp0kThePak t1_iugv041 wrote
Wasn't a lot of the knowledge lost during the cultural revolution? Burned books, jailed teachers.
UnderworldCircle t1_iugy5mj wrote
A lot of people today overestimated the reach and destruction that resulted during the C.R, the C.R movement was basically the reflected version of the January 6th riot in the capital multiplied 5000-fold, with Mao Zedong in lieu of Donald Trump; not everyone in society or in the CCP government agreed with them. You got people high up in the echelon like Zhou Enlai who ordered for PLA soldiers to guard the Forbidden City from the Red Guards (the reason why the Forbidden City & other religious buildings and monuments still exist in China today)
In addition, the destruction of the C.R happened most commonly in the big towns and famous cities, whilst most of the poor, remote and rural towns and villages were far away from the chaos, and it is there that the majority of the old information, cultural norms and customs still managed to survive to be passed on, TCM included. The people inhabiting these places would be more focused on agriculture, putting food on their table and not starving to death than wasting their time on book and statue burnings. The circumstances of poverty and remoteness of these Chinese villages and towns would have ensured the survival of TCM practices considering these places probably still did not have anything remotely close to infrastructure or public health care.
EDIT: Also included Chinese diaspora who fled to other countries with cultural and traditional customs and knowledge then returned back once the C.R died down, also ensuring its survival.
UnderworldCircle t1_iufvydz wrote
I am of Chinese descent who grew up in a Chinese household, my parents and extended family turn to TCM for the complete OPPOSITE reason you described, in the fact they believe Western/Chemistry-Pharmaceutical based medicine are synthetic, contain unnatural chemicals that may have bad/long term unforeseen side effects to the body, disrupt ‘Qi’, big-pharma monopolization on production methods etc. and would instead resort to TCM because it’s natural, have been around for far longer and where governments and private corporations have no monopoly control over its manufacture and distribution. If it isn’t up to the seriousness of pneumonia, limb loss or cancer, they’d try and go with TCM first before upping the ante to Western medicine.
TheTwinSet02 t1_iugolxx wrote
That’s why I was so surprised by everyone I spoke to. I’ve had acupuncture many times, brewed Chinese herbal medicine on my stove and had pretty good results esp acupuncture here in Australia
I’m always curious and found it so strange none of the locals used it and it was down to no trust in practitioners or even the quality of herbal medicine. These were in big cities like Ningbo maybe that’s why
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Dudedude88 t1_iugb9vt wrote
their vaccine only had like 50-60% efficacy against delta. its probably worse for omicron
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musashisamurai t1_iue44lz wrote
With the congress over, Chinese officials might start buying foreign vaccines to use if locals would use them. No one wants to be the one who admits that the domestic vaccines are useless, against the Party line, and buy from the "enemy" before the Party Congress where folks get promoted or kicked out.
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TrumpDesWillens t1_iue2q5z wrote
It's backwards to care about the lives of your people at the expense of the economy? 1 million+ dead is backwards.
IronEngineer t1_iue8mya wrote
It's backwards to refuse to use another country's vaccine because they won't admit their vaccine does not work as well.
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IronEngineer t1_iuey22o wrote
Nah that's because of idiots refusing to take any vaccine. Can't fix stupid, regardless of nationality or race.
jbjam t1_iueai4a wrote
The uyghur would like a word, but according to official numbers China currently has and had minimal Covid deaths. Even when the virus was prevalent. If one believes their numbers.
TrumpDesWillens t1_iufaymv wrote
Every other east asian country had low numbers.
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MetaphoricalMouse t1_iud6f5g wrote
so are they just going to continue this zero covid strategy for eternity? i guess it’s a matter of the government there just wanting to exert control
dlee101485 t1_iue28p1 wrote
The way I see it. Zero covid policy is just china's experimentation on how to mass incarerate the main population, not ethnic minorities. With all of the social unrest developing, they can't have a Iran situation.
TheHomersapien t1_iuddxz0 wrote
Because China was famously pro freedom before COVID. Yep. That darn COVID was cooked up in a lab so that China could finally exert authoritarian control over the masses.
FlightAble2654 t1_iucu90y wrote
Hey wake up Chinese People....this is way government is controlling you. Fight your way to freedom.
SuperSpread t1_iudofpg wrote
Mao killed 30 million Chinese without any trouble whatsoever. Good luck with that!
KimCureAll OP t1_iucveif wrote
Imagine the people power of 300,000 employees! In the end, they are defenseless against all the guns pointing at them. Their company is so big, it would qualify as a large city in most places in the world.
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Cookielicous t1_iudjzps wrote
I thought about the same but many just don't want to rock the boat like Russians against Vlad.
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sp3kter t1_iudykap wrote
But the majority WANT this. They've been brainwashed to believe that they need this in order to maintain their society.
WannaBpolyglot t1_iuhmd79 wrote
Yes want it so bad they scream from buildings and flee lockdowns by the thousands to walk hundreds of miles instead of transit to avoid police to get home.
You're high off your own supply, chief
Teamnoq t1_iudfn2f wrote
I thought they housed all workers onsite so the couldn’t leave.
1wiseguy t1_iuedadr wrote
I thought it was so they didn't have to commute to work.
Ehldas t1_iud6ywo wrote
"This week, on Season 12 of The Walking Dead..."
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EuropaWeGo t1_iug3uy3 wrote
Well the zero covid policy seems like a great way for China to tank their economy.
Spare-Entertainer297 t1_iucv5a1 wrote
China!
BruceThereItIs t1_iud5v0h wrote
Anyone else find it concerning that the only country still worried about covid is the country that engineered it in their lab?
moistnote t1_iud7dvs wrote
I’m finding it more concerning people still think it was engineered.
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PrizedTurkey t1_iud8fd8 wrote
US National Intelligence think it is possible
https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/Declassified-Assessment-on-COVID-19-Origins.pdf
WHO think it is possible
The head of The Lancet thinks it is possible.
moistnote t1_iud8tet wrote
And multiple studies have shown it didn’t. Including past sars variants being created in wet markets.
https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2022/origins-of-sars-cov-2
I’d read this one, it goes into the science of virology, and how if it were manufactured it would have looked very different.
PrizedTurkey t1_iud9fwi wrote
This one seems to contradict much of what has been stated as possible or not.
https://academic.oup.com/mbe/article/39/1/msab327/6426085?login=false
>Jack Nunberg, whose group first inserted an S1/S2 FCS into the spike of SARS-CoV, said: “there is no way to know whether humans or nature inserted the site” in SARS-CoV-2
China chose to muddy the waters by dragging its feet and limiting international teams.
BruceThereItIs t1_iud9ylp wrote
That's where all the evidence points. But k, you keep living in your fake Utopia where China isn't a problem.
moistnote t1_iuda6m2 wrote
China is a problem, but naturally occurring and lab created viruses look different genetically. Sorry that science doesn’t fit your weird narrative. Better ignore it and put your head in the sand.
BruceThereItIs t1_iudajal wrote
It's not just my weird negative. Around 40 governments globally have indicated that they believe its origins to be a leak at the Wuhan lab literally 3kms from where ground zero was. Heck, even the US Senate made statements on it yesterday.
PuddinPacketzofLuv t1_iudoopx wrote
Really? The US Senate was in session? On a Saturday? Cause the official US Senate website said there was nothing. You either heard a US Senator on a talk show pulling it out his/her ass or it’s straight out of yours.
BruceThereItIs t1_iuds5hv wrote
I know it's hard after Trump was so blunt all the time to accept anything a republican says as potentially true... But ignoring the right is also fundamentally a flawed away to exist. https://www.science.org/content/article/republican-senate-staff-tout-lab-leak-theory-pandemics-origin
PuddinPacketzofLuv t1_iudu57t wrote
You said the US Senate made a statement, not some random staffer leak. Did anyone put their name to it in a session of Congress as you stated?
No.
Did I mention Trump?
Again, no.
Are you a troll trying to stir shit?
Yes
ADDICTED_TO_KFC t1_iufrf95 wrote
Just because they share a different view and are engaging in civilized discussion doesn’t make them a troll you tit
Nerac74 t1_iufsz24 wrote
Excuse me but in the link you just posted , you somehow choose to ignore this statement in the report which refers to the Senate staff report
"That conclusion stands in sharp contrast to those of other panels, including from the World Health Organization and U.S. intelligence agencies, which have deemed a zoonotic jump more likely or remained neutral given the lack of direct evidence on the origin of the virus."
If you want people to take you seriously, at least present plausible facts and stuff , not stuff that is the equivalent of a Facebook mum saying essential oils work or as such.
BruceThereItIs t1_iufwghv wrote
I don't trust the science or the government funding the science.
Bitter_Coach_8138 t1_iudw4df wrote
Yes, actually
BruceThereItIs t1_iue1v9b wrote
It's concerning for sure. They know this virus best. Remember when they lied for a year about their covid numbers? 2 per day or some bullshit like that while the USA was seeing 100k a day.
Not sure why anyone would assume anything BUT lab leak. And even if it was a lab leak, I'm sure it wasn't intentional. The labs in the USA are full of world-ending viruses that could escape also.
We need to rope in the science industry and stop this type of bullshit research that they do under the guise of "the greater good".
China knows what happened here. They know for sure. Which is why they are behaving so differently from everyone else.
KimCureAll OP t1_iucsgj3 wrote
Quotes from the article: "They were Foxconn employees who escaped from the factory and were walking home," wrote a user of WeChat in a post about the social media images. "Some people were walking amid wheat fields with their luggage, blankets and quilts. I couldn't help but feel sad."