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AdmirableYouth4208 t1_ixyhqgm wrote

Hell I thought they died.

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warrkrack t1_ixytkwb wrote

0 casualties... 100% captured... but they didnt surrender and are heroes! tbh i dont get it. and if you ask questions you just get downvoted.

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Scandalous_Andalous t1_ixyvpbf wrote

Someone who is captured is technically considered a casualty

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[deleted] t1_ixyvtzj wrote

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Kapot_ei t1_iy0lg0r wrote

Well they did tell a Russian warship to F itself after being bombed with missiles, knowing they only had grenades and rifles..

They got swarmed and had the only other option to die.

They made the smart choice, doesn't diminish that they did tell a Russian warship to F itself after being bombed with missiles, knowing they only had grenades and rifles..

Dying is nog a requirement for being a hero.

Or are you willing to emphasise on them surrendering, while leaving out the part where they tell a Russian warship to F itself after being bombed with missiles knowing they only had grenades and rifles, for a different agenda??

Tbh, your repeated questioning in the comments of what makes up heroism in this case IS kinda sus tho, resulting in your downvotes.

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warrkrack t1_iy1z9x4 wrote

the only reason i got downvoted is because reddit is a propagana spewing website. im guilty of wrongthink. nothing more. they did not fight. they surrendered. and are heroes for not surredring. makes no sense.

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999999999999999999x t1_iy20c7n wrote

Hmm you're sounding a bit sus bud

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warrkrack t1_iy21l7q wrote

yeah anyone who goes against what reddit tells everyone to think is sus. that's how this website works.

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999999999999999999x t1_iy21v53 wrote

Ok buddy. Whatever you say.

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warrkrack t1_iy220qz wrote

tell me why I'm sus. please make it make sense for me how you can surrender without a fight. but still be a hero for not surrendering.

and if I question that at all I'm sus? other then questioning the narrative why is that sus?

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Kapot_ei t1_iy2ivwr wrote

I did, when i told you they did tell a Russian warship to F itself after being bombed with missiles, knowing they only had grenades and rifles.. knowing and having been threatened with bombing.

Hours later, when they got jumped several to one and they were standing there russians aiming asaultrifles at them from meters away, they surrendered.

Know when to quit, the only other thing to do was tell them "i die for country"

If you can't understand that, you're either ZuZpiciouZly unwilling or mentaly unable to. Either way, discussion is useless.

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999999999999999999x t1_iy3ln8o wrote

That video was heard around the world. Set the tone for the war, that the Ukrainian population will look tyrannical cocksuckers in the face and tell them to fuck themselves. Anyone that has an issue with calling them heroes is probably invested in the wrong side imo. History will not be kind no matter how much they try to smudge the record.

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Kapot_ei t1_iy4yrj4 wrote

Indeed, which is why in this case i felt the need to bring under attention that they did tell a Russian warship to F itself after being bombed with missiles, knowing they only had grenades and rifles.

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Kapot_ei t1_iy2kdyw wrote

I did explain you they did tell a Russian warship to F itself after being bombed with missiles, knowing they only had grenades and rifles.. knowing and having been threatened with bombing.

Hours later, when they got jumped several to one and they were standing there russians aiming asaultrifles at them from meters away, they surrendered.

Know when to quit, the only other thing to do was tell them "i die for country"

If you can't understand that, you're either ZuZpiciouZly unwilling or mentaly unable to. Either way, discussion is useless.

>because reddit is a propagana spewing websit

Free world is against Russian oppression and it's apologists, a true shock to us all, who would've thought?

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simondoyle1988 t1_iy0ipo7 wrote

How can you be captured but not surrender

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flyingtrucky t1_iy1j69c wrote

I guess it's technically possible if you're knocked unconscious and wake up in custody.

Realistically the warship just kept lobbing shells at them until they surrendered. The fact so few died was probably to try and save ammo, intimidate them into surrender with a dozen shells vs pounding the place to dust so your own guys don't get shot at when moving stuff onto the island.

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cymric t1_ixz5hcl wrote

As a Son Texas and Resident of the Alamo City. I salute their defiance in the face of overwhelming force.

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HumanBarbarian t1_iy0f09j wrote

Texans were fighting for slavery. There is no honour in that. Check your history again.

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cymric t1_iy0fcei wrote

I support your criticism of the Texas revolution, but I still respect the Defiance of the defenders of the Alamo. Santa Ana was not a good ruler either and the Abolitionist Mexicans fought with the White revolutionaries too

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MikeFrench98 t1_iy0w9z3 wrote

You don't need to die to be a hero

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warrkrack t1_iy1zcfe wrote

apparently you can also surrender wtithout a fight and be a hero for not surrendering too.

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Exist50 t1_iy0lrlu wrote

Ukraine claimed they had. That was a lie.

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MikeFrench98 t1_iy0w7n7 wrote

The Ukrainian governement thought they were dead. When they saw they were wrong, they said so and declared they were happy the soldiers were alive.

It wasn't "a deliberate lie to manipulate the gullibale Westerners into linking Ukraine" like the pro-russians like to say.

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dozerbuild t1_iy1l88q wrote

What about the Ghost of Kiev?

Does that propaganda false hood count?

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Turnpikes t1_iy26mef wrote

Propaganda is a tool of war. Each person. subjectively picks a propaganda they like.

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Exist50 t1_iy0xcqo wrote

>The Ukrainian governement thought they were dead. When they saw they were wrong, they said so and declared they were happy the soldiers were alive.

Lmao, what on earth gave you that idea? They were literally paraded out on Russian TV.

Just like with the recent missile strike in Poland or "Ghost of Kiev", the Ukrainian government is perfectly willing to lie to support the war effort. Russia doesn't have a monopoly on propaganda.

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MikeFrench98 t1_iy0xucy wrote

>They were literally paraded out on Russian TV.

Yeah, and? That's when Ukraine discovered they weren't dead, and announced it officially shortly after, even rejoicing about it

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Proxyplanet t1_iy1y4og wrote

He shouldnt have even announced they were dead, could have just said suspected dead. But he actually said they were dead heroes that never surrendered. It was pure propoganda, stop making excuses for it.

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Exist50 t1_iy0y1xi wrote

Tell me, why so you think Ukraine declared them dead when they very clearly weren't?

> That's when Ukraine discovered they weren't dead, and announced it officially shortly after, even rejoicing about it

Just like how the Ghost of Kiev became metaphorical only after the fact.

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