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ZiggyStardustEP t1_j1r7zby wrote

Reply to comment by prosper_0 in Beijing to distribute Pfizer antiviral drug as Covid wave strains health system by web_explorer

My only guess is they don't want to set themselves up where they fail. All those other points they've been quite successful. Getting people vaccinated? Doubt they could succeed on a reasonable time frame. While stockpile vaccines when you have zero covid?

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Gogobrasil8 t1_j1rc5ov wrote

My guess is that due to the fact that the older population tend to be staunch supporters of the CCP, they don't want to upset them by mandating vaccines.

Also they've stoked the traditional medicine fire too much to now go back and say that they actually need real medicine.

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ZiggyStardustEP t1_j1rcpst wrote

Fair on that point though I'd argue the support of CCP, or at least nationalism, is big among younger folks. Seeing 30 years of fantastic growth that you grew up with would make you a believer. Fair points though, especially on the traditional medicine.

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BrianC_ t1_j1tbvu9 wrote

The implication that young people understand as much or are that appreciative is pretty funny.

Yea, sure, they're not slaving away on a farm doing hard labor. Instead, they're a recently graduated worker who can't find a job because of a shrinking white-collar job market that is due to government policies like driving away foreign employers, destroying the tutoring sector, crushing their own big-tech companies, etc. They're a lonely and desperate young man who can't find a wife because of the imbalance between the male/female populations created by the one-child policy. Alternatively, they might just not be able to get married because owning a house is often seen as a requirement for marriage and housing prices are out of reach. Maybe they're a one-child policy single child saddled with the pressure of needing to take care of 2 aging parents. Maybe they're a young couple who can't afford to have a kid because of the cost of doing so.

Young people in China have gotten fucked in the ass by the CCP.

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ZiggyStardustEP t1_j1u81ai wrote

You're 100% right! I mean just look at the United States!

Yea, sure, they're not slaving away on a factory doing hard labor. Instead, they're recently graduated worker who can't find a job. . . Due to government policies like outsourcing, crushing labor unions, etc. . . Millennials are lonely and desperate due to out of control housing, lack of opportunities, high childcare costs, etc.......

We can play that game however you want. There are challenges for the USA and plenty of people that take pride. When it comes to China I think there are plenty of people with nationalistic pride in their country. Forgive this ignorant 老外 /s

Generation Snitch How censorship, nationalism, and wealth have shaped young Chinese

https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/04/14/china-youth-generation-snitch/

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BrianC_ t1_j1u9kxt wrote

I never said the US was better or different. I was close to editing in that young people everywhere are getting fucked in the ass.

But, to humor your misplaced sarcasm, when you look at youth in America, they're much less blindly patriotic than older people.

You link Noam Chomsky saying that the US is the greatest threat to world peace to most young people and their response would be "yea, no shit."

If you ask them if America is #1, young people will more accurately point out that America is indeed not #1 in many metrics.

The older generations that got to live the American dream would obviously be patriotic about it. Most young people will tell you that dream is dead.

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ZiggyStardustEP t1_j1u9z6y wrote

Not point on US. It was that you can draw similar, valid criticisms to other nations. Read the article - if you are having issues with paywall open incognito.

We can do better than Noam Chomsky on criticism of America. That's a given if he's in the picture. A given like him denying a Cambodian genocide or two lol.

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Safe_Indication_6829 t1_j1vl9xo wrote

How patriotic are young Chinese people, really? Keeping in mind that the ones who aren't are keeping quiet about it

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Sixth_account_deer t1_j1tolxq wrote

Also they have been paying Chinese companies for antigen tests and the Chinese made vaccine. Buying western vaccines is admitting the poor efficacy of their own medicine and also paying western companies for the vaccine.

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rush2547 t1_j1tzh1j wrote

I think their vaccine isnt very effective and rather than appear weak and relying on the west they remain obstinate and accept a worse outcome as the result.

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