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ZrvaDetector t1_j2e1y4b wrote

Reply to comment by lmsoa971 in Former leader of Grey Wolves fatally shot in Ankara - Turkish Minute by LouisBalfour82

Because Grey wolves are a relatively new organisation that was backed up by NATO/GLADIO against Communist groups during Cold War. They also didn't invade Europe and put millions of people in ovens. Not really the same thing.

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lmsoa971 t1_j2e6tqz wrote

Grey wolves group has beheaded Kurds, Syrians and Armenians, you can find the pictures of them holding the grey wolves sign with the heads.

The grey wolf Organization denies the existence, or better yet justifies the genocides against the Armenians, Greeks and Assyrians.

Currently there is a blockade endangering the lives of 120,000 people and you can see the Turks blockading the only road throwing grey wolf signs, the International Genocide institution has deemed this as a potential genocide.

The expansionist ideology is currently being enacted in Syria with Turkey invading them.

Your idea of “they still haven’t done anything to Europe” doesn’t change the fact that if not the organization, at least it’s predecessors have enacted Turkish fascism, and the leaders have on many occasions solidified their predecessors stances.

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ZrvaDetector t1_j2ed9t4 wrote

>Grey wolves group has beheaded Kurds, Syrians and Armenians, you can find the pictures of them holding the grey wolves sign with the heads.

At most you would see a nationalist soldier holding the head of a dead combatant while doing the sign. Still deplorable and a war crime because its mutilation however you make it sound like they actually killed innocent Kurds and Armenians with beheadings which is not the case.

>The grey wolf Organization denies the existence, or better yet justifies the genocides against the Armenians, Greeks and Assyrians.

Yet they don't actually a commit any genocides against them nor will they ever have such power. Again, they are assholes of the worst kind but if you compare them to nazis, you're basically whitewashing what nazis did.

>Currently there is a blockade endangering the lives of 120,000 people and you can see the Turks blockading the only road throwing grey wolf signs, the International Genocide institution has deemed this as a potential genocide.

No, it's not a genocide in any case. They are free to leave Karabakh if they want. They only started this blockade after civillian researchers were denied entry by Russian soldiers.

>The expansionist ideology is currently being enacted in Syria with Turkey invading them.

Turkish "invasion" is not permanent and is preferrable to YPG holding the land along the Turkish border. A buffer zone is a natural reaction to Syrian Civil War and its impacts on Turkey. Nothing to do with Grey Wolves.

>Your idea of “they still haven’t done anything to Europe” doesn’t change the fact that if not the organization, at least it’s predecessors have enacted Turkish fascism, and the leaders have on many occasions solidified their predecessors stances.

Not just Europe, they didn't start a war, invade anyone or killed masses of people.

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GoFrostYourSelflel t1_j2ekf1g wrote

Should I link the Videos of countless civilians being beheaded and the Dog shit symbols they throw up and tout about ? Please stop trying to refute facts with nonsense. Signed, Morut Kunem

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ZrvaDetector t1_j2eng2r wrote

By all means do it, you won't find Turkish soldiers and actual Grey Wolf members doing this. If you're talking about Azerbaijani soldiers, then I don't think they are even members of the organisation and are an isolated case. Please link the videos of "countless" civillians being beheaded by the Grey Wolves.

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ktappe t1_j2f0nof wrote

>they didn't start a war, invade anyone or killed masses of people

They would if they could. It's not wrong to call fascists fascists just because they're not in power.

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xantiema t1_j2ekr88 wrote

Somehow you have managed to conflate multitudinous, and separate issues into one clusterfuck recipe. Oh, and you added Nazi's as a topping.

Nazism is fascism enacted at its worst, and to downplay their atrocities is a disgrace to history. Grey Wolves can be considered terrorists, but that is also just about it. The criminal and brainwashed Grey Wolves members use the ethnic sign, but that does not make every turk using it a terrorist.

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JuveFanatic t1_j2f2ibe wrote

You’re delusional, it’s best you leave this community at once.

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longmitso t1_j2f3fyb wrote

Lol just because they didn't invade Europe and put people in ovens doesn't make them the same thing? Not every Nazi was personally present at the ovens to put people inside, as I'm sure Hitler himself wasn't, but his voice put them there. Grey Wolves are exactly the same thing.

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Bagaturgg t1_j2fnvn9 wrote

Gladio organizations such as Grey Wolves popped in virtually all NATO countries under threat of Soviet influence during the Cold War, not just Turkey.

However it was Turkey's decision not to disband them once the Cold War ended and use them against the Kurdish insurgency. Grey Wolves haven't been under NATO/CIA influence for more than 30 years now. It has become its own thing and rebranded itself as the youth wing of MHP (ultranationalists) to legitimize its existence. Claiming NATO has anything to do with Grey Wolves as it exists today is completely baseless.

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ZrvaDetector t1_j2fqryg wrote

Nope, NATO has nothing to do with Grey Wolves of today, the thing is shortly after the Cold War they stopped being a militant organisation. Grey Wolves without NATO backing is just another far right political organisation without any hardpower behind it.

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