Aytanri- t1_j1lov5c wrote
Reply to comment by UnlikelyRabbit4648 in Turkey in talks with Russia about using Syrian airspace in potential operation by [deleted]
Russia allowing Turkey to use Russian controlled Syrian airspace would mean Russia is aiding Turkey and thus NATO, not the other way around. Besides the Fact that Turkey has done more fighting against Russian interests than most other NATO countries, whilst countries like France literally back a Russian supported war criminal in Libya, the US also collaborates with terror groups that are hostile towards Turkey.
skeetmonster69 t1_j1lt1o5 wrote
Ok tankie, Turkey wants to attack kurds who were the backbone of the counter-ISIS operation in Iraq and Syria. Turkey is necessary for Nato operations in the middle east. They know their position and use it to hold NATO hostage. They are not a counter Russian entity for NATO.
Aytanri- t1_j1lva72 wrote
Firstly, I'm not a "tankie" if you want to describe anyone as "tankies", you might want to look at YPG/PKK which the US backs in Syria. They literally follow a Marxist-Leninist Ideology and are the result of the Soviets trying to weaken NATOs eastern flank by destabilizing Turkey.
And the Afghan Mujahedeen which later on transformed into the Taliban were the backbone of the counter-Soviet operation in Afghanistan. Doesn't change the fact that the Taliban are terrorists and no better than the Soviets.
"Hold NATO hostage" last time I checked it was the US that went into the Middle East, fucked up the whole Region and left Turkey to deal with the mess alone.
"They are not a counter Russian entity for NATO.". Yet they are the only country in NATOs history to shoot down a Russian Jet, they are directly fighting against Russian proxies in Syria, the Caucasus, North Africa and pushing against Russian influence in Eastern Europe and Central Asia. Meanwhile, France and Germany were busy exporting military technology to Russia not too long ago, and I already brought up how France collaborates with Russia in Libya against Turkey and Italy.
SwiftSnips t1_j1m2knt wrote
That whole region has been fucked up a very long time. Before the US went in terrorist groups were everywhere just like they are today. Hell, before they went in a group of them even managed to coordinate well enough to hijack 4 planes and fly them into 3 US buildings killing thousands.
The problem is they will not bend at all on their archaic beliefs, and apparently their beliefs very, very easily lead to radicalism and extreme views. Not all are this way, I dont generalize... but an uncommonly high percentage are.
You mismashed multiple different topics into a few paragraphs like that sums it all up. Erdogan is himself a terrorist with Russian $ stuffed in every pocket.
Aytanri- t1_j1m7m0u wrote
Without the US invasion of Iraq, ISIS would have never evolved to the enormous threat it once was. Ironically enough, the US funded Saudi Arabia's wahabism campaign as a means to combat communism in the Middle East. That too, came back biting them.
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The US is responsible for numerous brutal and illegal invasions as well as staging coups, backing dictators, extrajudicial killings, and all the war crimes they committed during said invasions. No better than any of these terror groups. Seems like US imperialism also very easily leads to radicalism and extreme views.
Everything I said was about the same topic. Also, the US is no less terrorist than Russia is.
IshyTheLegit t1_j1r2xo4 wrote
If the US is so bad for supporting Islamic terrorism, why did Turkey declare war against the anti-Islamist in Libya?
Aytanri- t1_j1rlxd5 wrote
Turkey backs the UN recognized Libyan Government against the Russian backed warlord Haftar, who was convicted by a US-court for War Crimes, so a literal War Criminal. I guess the Wagner group, which is fighting for Haftar in Libya, is also "anti-islamist" now, I guess that also means that they are the "good guys" now.
NotsosmartamInow t1_j1nz7ot wrote
I'm not arguing about the situation between Turkey and the Kurds in Syria, I'm only talking about Turkish-Russian situation.
Turkey is a huge counter against Russia in the Middle east. It actively fights Russian interests in the Middle east, and Libya. There are instances of Turkish troops being killed by Russians and Turkish military shooting down Russian Jets and more. You can't deny the importance of Turkey against Russia.
notahopeleft t1_j1mjj13 wrote
They were definitely helpful in fighting ISIS but we don’t have a history of looking after our friends once the goal is accomplished. I don’t remember there ever being a deal where US has any obligation to them after the operation.
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