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[deleted] t1_j1yvni2 wrote

Reply to comment by Sbeast in Russia's only LGBTQ+ museum closes down amid 'propaganda' crackdown by BeeBobMC

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Krivvan t1_j1ywfh0 wrote

I'm assuming you're trying to refer to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Odesa_clashes

Where violent clashes resulted in both sides of a protest throwing molotovs at each other, with at least one starting a fire.

Wording it the way you did makes it sound like a group just rounded some innocent people up into a building and set it on fire and leaves out the very contextually important violent clashes.

>This rally was later attacked by an anti-Maidan mob of 300 from the group Odesskaya Druzhina armed with bats and firearms at Hretska Street.

>Following the attack on the pro-Maidan rally, numerous fights broke out. Both sides fought running battles against one other, exchanging stones and petrol bombs, and built barricades throughout the city during the afternoon.

>According to OHCHR both sides had various kinds of helmets, masks, shields, axes, wooden or metal sticks, and firearms. According to OmTV there were mostly air pistols and the first actual firearms use was by Antimaidan activist Vitaly Budko ("Botsman") who opened fire with an AK-74 rifle using 5.45 bullets.

>While defending the building, militants on the roof tossed rocks and petrol bombs at the protesters below. BBC News said that the situation was unclear, with multiple sources indicating that both sides had been throwing petrol bombs at each other.

Calling it "a house" makes me think you literally didn't even know the first thing about this incident and just heard the name "Trade Union House fire."

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goodplayer111 t1_j1yxvtg wrote

Yeah. Point is, what russia says that there is a big nazi problem in ukraine is true. But no one cares that russians in ukraine are being harrased because ukraine is at war with russia and "russians are always the bad guys"

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Krivvan t1_j1yyiey wrote

You just pivoted from "evil Ukrainians are executing Russians" to "Russians are being harassed."

But even if we pretend and take you at your word 100%, does that somehow justify an invasion, attempted annexation of territory, and persecution of LGBT people within Russia? That's on the same level as "Russians are being harassed?" An invasion of a country with a native Russian-speaking President that opposed the very language laws you'll say are the source of the harassment? https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-parliament-language-idUSKCN1S111N

Do you support the invasion of any country with ultranationalists in it? Because I can name a few.

Hey, LGBT people are being harassed in Russia. Does that give everyone the clear to invade Russia and seize territory?

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P00TiZ t1_j1yyyb4 wrote

Russians in Ukraine are only harassed when they openly support invasion. Literally no one gives a fuck if you are russian and love putin as long as you keep your mouth shut. And yes, russians ARE bad guys, you act just like nazi Germany, what did you expect?

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Thatsidechara_ter t1_j216j94 wrote

I wouldn't go so far as calling all Russians bad, although I digress it does seem that there's a fairly pronounced homophobic culture in Russia itself

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burgermiester288 t1_j1z0hur wrote

No there isn't. For f""ks sake thier prez is Jewish. No one's harassing ethnic Russians, that's Russia propaganda (and it's really a recycled version of the propaganda Nazis used to justify invading Poland. I'm queer and the Russians are the bad guys here

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Spyt1me t1_j1zlg6j wrote

Big nazi problem is when 2/3rd of a country elects a jew who's grandfather died fighting against nazies lmao.

Your arguments are completely unfounded.

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MasterBot98 t1_j216f9s wrote

Harassing Russians in mass in Ukraine is practically impossible cos we are so alike. As other said,the only way to see the Russians among Ukrainians is generally when they are exceptionally patriotic. Which by general Russian logic would make them nazis, cos their logic sees no difference between patriotism/nationalism/nazism. And then the well known “Russians cannot be nazis” comes in, which is ironically a statement of superiority, which proves that,again, such Russians have no clue what actual Nazism is, and that they have this problem at scale.

"cares that russians in ukraine are being harrased"

What kind of Russians? The ultrapatriotic ones? My first paragraph should tell you enough on my stance on them. And about the others, we treat them like we treat Ukrainians, cos we don't give a fuck (ok that might get worse a bit cos of war but oh well). The only actor who has an actual tendency to harras/disregard/unjustly persecute/outright kill for political reasons Russians is Russian govt and your own ultrapatriots. And when you command "attack" to your "ultrapatriots" and outright Nazis to attack on Ukraine,ofc you will get results like Bucha, it is expected, really.

The only real big differences between Russian nazism and German one-

  1. You figured out that calling everyone else a Nazi works wonders.

2.And you traded racial superiority for a kind of cultural one. That's it, that's how short the list is,everything else like hate on the pacifists, secret police, superiority complex(even if a slightly different one), intense propaganda and everything else is exactly the same. If you want links, just say to what and I will find them.

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rabobar t1_j1zfm5e wrote

Stay out of the kitchen if you can't take the heat

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lordofedging81 t1_j206ryq wrote

2 wrongs don't make a right.

Also, this is one incident.

1is a smaller number than 50,000.

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Sbeast t1_j20igo6 wrote

I only know a little about the events around 2014, but some of it sounded terrible. All atrocities are wrong. I also read some of the war crimes in the current conflict have been committed by Ukraine's Armed Forces too, but on a lesser scale.

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