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CaptainCAAAVEMAAAAAN t1_j2d0siy wrote

Reply to comment by kgro in Kazakhstan Deports Russian FSB Officer Who Fled To Avoid Being Sent To Fight In Ukraine by Zhukov-74

So what, all Russians are bad Russians now? The guy fled with his family because he knew war was coming, and he wanted no part of it (at least that's what it sounds like).

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Main-Yoghurt5127 t1_j2fpo91 wrote

All Russians serving in state security agencies are bad? Yeah, pretty much.

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kgro t1_j2d13pe wrote

No, he didn’t want to be part of meat send to the meat grinder. Make no mistake, he has joined the forces because he thought being a meat grinder will make him comfy.

My comment clearly did not address all Russians, only those, who chose to serve the position of power as long as they could enjoy better position at the expense of others. Fuck them!

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GoofyKalashnikov t1_j2d6ffa wrote

That's how the world works? People enjoy a better position at the expense of others and i highly doubt you're ready to go live with some rural african tribes and give away all your current luxuries

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kgro t1_j2d6sbf wrote

Yep, that’s how the world works — he makes morally questionable decisions and I am not obliged to feel sad for him paying the price for his decisions. Fuck him

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GoofyKalashnikov t1_j2d7bw8 wrote

You say it like you know him personally and have a massive moral high ground lmfao

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kgro t1_j2d7fv7 wrote

Dude, I know tons of people who have suffered from the system and FSB in particular. I don’t have to hold high mir ground to condemn anyone who is a part of that system. Fuck them all

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ZippyDan t1_j2d7n7x wrote

But he is not FSB

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kgro t1_j2d9buf wrote

He works for siloviki. This is the price of being part of that system. Fuck them

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ZippyDan t1_j2ddjxx wrote

I think you're not thinking big enough.

Don't we want people to be abandoning the system? If enough people defect, hide, and rebel, this whole mess can be over sooner.

Don't let perfection be the enemy of good. In any evil system there is a range of leaders, supporters, and cogs: true evils, true believers, sycophants, opportunists, weak-minded and weak-willed sheep, uninformed and uneducated, etc.

It's not possible to ensure that all of those people get the justice they deserve, nor is it clear what justice the lower rungs of the system deserve. Think of Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan: many culpable people escaped punishment, but it was more important that the leadership face the music and that the system fall rather than hunting down every last pencil pusher that was indirectly responsible for the abuses of the system.

Trying to hold every last person accountable no matter how peripheral their involvement just encourages the system to linger longer, because every last beauraucrat and janitor becomes invested in the continued delay of accountability. Leaders have power and the ultimate responsibility, but they are nothing if the individual cogs of their empire melt away.

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kgro t1_j2dkz45 wrote

No, I am not holding him accountable. I just don’t feel compassion for him being thrown to die back to the system that he served that has led to demise of many innocent victims. Fuck him

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ZippyDan t1_j2dlzuo wrote

It's not about feeling sorry. It's about the message it sends. My point is that he serves as an example to others who might want to flee. The more failures there are, the more these low-level cogs will feel trapped, and therefore desperate to see the regime pull off a win.

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