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JonoNexus t1_j24qoff wrote

Reply to comment by Emperor_Zar in Japan Set to Import First Crude Shipment From Russia Since May by IndependentTHNKR

Depends how you frame it, perhaps they're doing it because their people are suffering from the oil prices. There's a certain amount of egoism that you have to accept from a government of a country. Is it wrong for a country to put their citizens' needs ahead of another's?

Honest question. Idk if that's Japan's motivation at the day..

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K1St3 t1_j25ey4k wrote

No, it's actually because the government alongside some corporations like Mitsubishi had already invested billions in the Sakhalin-2 project. When the invasion started, instead of stopping investments or withdrawing from the project, they've instead chosen to double down by investing more.

Oil price in Japan is fine, there are also a lot of affordable public transports such as bus, trains & high-speed trains (which often corporations cover the cost too).

All of the foreign parties that have invested in the project can totally afford that loss as not only they are massive (Mitsubishi is just that big), they were already aware years before about the potential risk of a sudden loss of their shares so they are prepared for it.

So no, that decision is just a lack of morals & greed. Now that they have affirmed their commitment back in August 2022, they'll have to cooperate, provide technical support, spare parts, etc. which means untouchable by sanctions guaranteeing a tremendous profit for russia (60% of share) on the long term.

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JonoNexus t1_j25hs3m wrote

Ok, this is a more interesting take. I didn't know that. Then I'd probably agree with the general sentiment.

The only part I'm not 100% on is about public transport. In my country, the oil shortage isn't a problem because of transport prices but because energy bills have quadrupled (or more even). I think if they ended up getting oil from Russia to lower the prices for average folks, then I wouldn't condemn them.

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Yelmel t1_j24u063 wrote

No it does not depend how you frame it. You're talking about motive. Motive is moot to the comment:

> Japan carries Ukrainian blood on their hands by purchasing Russian crude.

All of the above is true no matter why they do it.

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JonoNexus t1_j24x9m7 wrote

I think the comment is inherently a moral condemnation. I mean, they don't literally have blood on their hands. At that point I think the motive is relevant to their actions. I dont see what the point is of saying someone has blood on their hands otherwise.

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Yelmel t1_j252mty wrote

To establish collusion.

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JonoNexus t1_j256zhb wrote

So Japan is colluding with the Russians against Ukraine, by buying (necessary) oil from them?

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Yelmel t1_j258qze wrote

Thus bloodying their hands.

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nikhoxz t1_j25bo7o wrote

Japan supports Ukraine in 1000 different ways

Also Japan buys some russian oil

BLOOD IN THEIR HANDS

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Yelmel t1_j25g3pc wrote

Slow down there, all caps screamer...

Put this on a balance sheet, bottom dollars on help to Ukraine versus genocide-sustaining energy purchases to Muscovy.

It will not be 1000:1 ratio in favour of Ukraine.

Right?

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