Baneken t1_j6h5s4u wrote on January 30, 2023 at 7:50 AM

Reply to comment by Nerevarine91 in Ukraine calls for faster weapons supplies as Russia presses eastern offensive by redcccp

Abrams in desert storm... It was a complete slaughter for the 'modernized' Iraqi T-72s, they literally couldn't even see their enemy before they were already hit.

And that was 30 years ago, proposed Challengers, Leos and Leclercs are much more modern than those American Abrams were back then and Abrams itself has had a few iterations to it since then.

The Soviet-era tanks Russia is still using won't have a chance and I'm not sure how many are T-90s or newer from the ones they actually field.

Nerevarine91 t1_j6hbjgn wrote on January 30, 2023 at 9:11 AM

From what I’ve heard, target acquisition and optics are by far the single most important difference between truly modern tanks and everything else, when it comes to battlefield performance

ZealousidealWash5800 t1_j6hbltn wrote on January 30, 2023 at 9:12 AM

T72 export model with hand crank turrets... completely lobotomised compared to the domestic model with night sights. Do a bit of reading on desert storm: it was wardens air war 'operation instant thunder' that lead to such a curbstomp. Many military commentators view this as being a rare perfect storm unlikely to reoccur any time soon.

Baneken t1_j6hhb3c wrote on January 30, 2023 at 10:34 AM

And you expect the current Russian ones to be that much better when a single good hit from Javelin will literally toss the whole tank into air? Russia had matching modern tanks but they're few or nothing but vaporware & concepts. What they've been using are outdated holdovers from the '90s with some mandatory upgrades.

People have already been whining how some odd 200 tanks ain't doing much... When it's not about the numbers but how you deploy them in the field -200 tanks in one sector supported by infantry & artillery is a lot, peppered throughout the country -not so much.

ZealousidealWash5800 t1_j6hj1ul wrote on January 30, 2023 at 10:59 AM

You're not doing much to argue against that sending 31 abrams isn't going to result in another desert storm...

Javelin would also total an abrams, what's your point?

The design age argument doesn't hold water either: Abrams is 1970s, Leopard is 1980s and Challenger II is 90s. I'm not sure what you're getting at there unless you're arguing all they are using are literally produced in the 90s? As if they've done nothing but produce ladas and nothing else for 30 years.

Also lmao comparing t90m and t72b3 to hand crank tanks? Pull the other one it's got bells on it.