Absolutely. I need work for regulation, social connection and I care about my city. AI can never take away every avenue I have to contribute in that way. It might shorten my day a bit… oh no. The horror!

We will never run out of jobs, because our lives will never be too good. There will always be something else to do and some way to provide value. People will always want for something, and people will be there to provide it.

I disagree. Lots of people don’t want to do anything but self indulgent pursuits. Video games, partying, drinking, eating… nobody wants to be a server and everyone wants to be served.

You’re hearing wrong.

They DID NOT suffer. They lived through the most prosperous time known to humanity and were given more opportunity for wealth than my generation or any other. I can’t speak to any one’s personal experience, but for the boomer generation, that settled.

ALSO, they are responsible for the economic and environmental situation we’re in, so forgive me if I don’t have sympathy for their misfortune that they’re only just now joining me in.

The struggle isn’t new to me so if being better at it gives me an edge for once, I’m going to take it and feel ZERO remorse. It’s the first and maybe the last time I’ll get any kind of edge.

Oh, I’m sorry, “Interest”? Since when does interest play a part in survival? I’m currently unemployed and am looking for plenty of jobs I’m not interested in. I wasn’t aware that beggars can be choosers.

Part of what can guarantee it is organized labour. The reason the TTC didn’t just fire everyone is the union.

For the record, everyone bitched and moaned about grocery store clerks losing their jobs to machines, and that didn’t really happen. I was at a store the other day that removed the machines. Every grocery store I’ve been to has lots of lanes, with lots of clerks, in addition to the machines.

It would be great if the conversion could be gradual, but anyone that thinks that robots doing auto sector tasks instead of a person is bad…. I just don’t agree with them. Let the robots do it and we’ll do something else. Then everything will cost less for everyone.

No, they can’t just hang out. Have you even seen the show? The ship takes constant maintenance by people with a LOT of training.

That’s my point. NOBODY can just hang out. Unless you want to live like a caveman, all of these things around us are the product of someone’s hard work. Even with the craziest AI, it doesn’t just happen. The phone doesn’t just get delivered to your hand. Peoples work is required. People have to put in effort. Why are you an exception?

You’re partly right, and I have ZERO sympathy for people who are entirely inflexible. And those elderly lived in a time where you didn’t need to finish high school and could afford a house in 5 years. Forgive me if I don’t cry them a river. I’ve had to hustle my whole life and provide value where I’m able and I still struggle.

I think that there should be a limit to how much machines are able to take over, pairing it with attrition. Similar to the automation of Transit systems like the TTC. Trains and stations are already automated. Drivers and attendants aren’t being fired or laid off. They’re just not hiring any extras. Nobody has to lose their job.

That being said, creative destruction isn’t new. 2000 dung shovelers in New York City lost their jobs when they switched to cars from horses. And many other jobs were created in fuel transport, mechanics, and other industries to support the car. Imagine trying to ban cars because someone will lose their job shovelling shit?

Oh I’m sorry, does having a house require someone else to build it for you? You mean you don’t know how to do that? I guess you’ll need someone else to put in that hard labour. If only there was a way to provide value and easily exchange that value for other goods and services…

In all seriousness, you currently live somewhere that you didn’t build, and don’t maintain. You don’t generate your own power, or refine your own fuel.

What are you suggesting the new paradigm is? I’m certain you haven’t thought it out at all.

Let’s hear it.

Yes. Late stage capitalism is toxic. I’m not saying you should make ANYONE any money. Even just picking up trash 30 hours a week. Do SOMETHING. Fix city benches. Repair books at the library. Repaint playgrounds. Be a kids soccer coach. ANYTHING. Just do a thing for society.

Nope. You definitely don’t know where I’m going with this. No slaving. No rigid structure. No social ladder. Just don’t be a lazy parasite and expect everyone else to work for you. That’s what billionaires do now, and they’re fucking cunts.

If you want input, you should output. You want the benefit of others work? Then find a way to contribute. Don’t want to participate? That’s fine too. Have a house in the middle of nowhere and be self sufficient. No slaving, rigidity, or any of it. Entirely up to you.

No it isn’t. Making yourself coffee isn’t work. Providing a service of value to society is work. If you enjoy it and don’t consider it work, I don’t care. Make art. Care for the sick. Work with kids. Doesn’t matter. If you expect someone to grow your food, repair your utilities, generate your power, and ship your goods, don’t think that nothing is required in return.

Imagine Star Trek. Everyone has a job. Nobody just hangs out in the holodek all day every day.

It’s not. And there will ALWAYS be work for humans to do. What that is will shift, but jobs will always be a thing. Even in a world like iRobot where all menial tasks are covered, there will be PLENTY for humans to do. Being lazy is and always has been lamentable. There is a way for you to contribute to the society you choose to live in, and opting out makes you a shitty person. Volunteer, make art, care for the elderly, make things for people. Design better ways to do things. Be an activist for change.

All those things are jobs, and not helping out makes you shitty and devoid of value.

You’re welcome to exit the system. There are communes everywhere. Funny enough, they have a system that they all agree on that states how much work/contribution is required. Feeding chickens, cleaning up, burying waste… You can’t live anywhere and just be lazy/useless.

If you don’t want to work, who do you expect is going to come feed you?

Everyone wants food, shelter, healthcare, education… those things aren’t free. They require other humans to dedicate substantial time into doing

You need to contribute to society, and sometimes the contribution required is going to be something you don’t want to do. This is called a ”job”

There’s no labour shortage. There’s a wage shortage. Funny how these free market fucks seem to forget how supply and demand works.

The pool of jobs that AI can’t do will shrink, but never close. Try to see where there will be gaps, and be there when demand surges.

It’s important tech. Can’t we give it to a non profit third party privacy rights group so the guy that abducted a child can be found in time?

Not like we could prove them wrong