You keep putting words in my mouth it's fucking hilarious

You have already called me stupid, said I haven't read Marx, that I'm just a contrarian, etc etc. You've also said you were going to give up talking to me, yet you're still here. I have already understood you don't want to listen to me, so I'm just having fun for as long as you'll let me.

I thought you were supposed to be the Marx expert, considering you said I haven't read him. So why don't you tell me, since Marx has given the answer to that question so many times.

no? Who said anything about governments?

"To be a capitalist, is to have not only a purely personal, but a social status in production. Capital is a collective product, and only by the united action of many members, nay, in the last resort, only by the united action of all members of society, can it be set in motion.

Capital is therefore not only personal; it is a social power.

When, therefore, capital is converted into common property, into the property of all members of society, personal property is not thereby transformed into social property. It is only the social character of the property that is changed. It loses its class character."

Literally in the communist manifesto. I could start quoting capital if you'd like, I have all three volumes at my desk right now.

alr, whatever, I guess Marxism is contrarianism then..

Commodity production, exchange and circulation still exist. The means of production should not be worker owned, but socially owned. A co-op will not cease to have a capitalist nature because of the owner being the workers, but the workers will take up all the necessary roles of the capitalist.

co-operative labour is not a co-op. A co-op is a worker owned capitalist business. The boss has been removed yet all the vital laws of capital still remain.

the hell of capitalism is the firm, not that the firm has a boss.

Marx explained this.