Fuckyourdatareddit

Fuckyourdatareddit t1_jae2n8d wrote

Fuck all compared to every other form of power generation.

I’ll never understand you people, so fucking arrogant that with two seconds of “thinking” you somehow have the impression you’ve come up with pricing problems nobody who actually works in the industry has ever noticed

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Fuckyourdatareddit t1_j6anfwr wrote

Speaking of scale and viability, let me know when there’s enough manufacturing for nuclear power components to replace all the plants being closed this decade from age 😊 then let me when when there’s enough for a net increase 😊

Because until then they’re still closing nuclear plants faster then they’re building them

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Fuckyourdatareddit t1_j6a69vv wrote

Orrrr less money and time could be spent overall and the wide variety of sources that can be built should be built and will cover baseload requirements.

When the other option is to spend a decade waiting for heavy manufacturing infrastructure to be expanded for nuclear components then still not produce or assemble enough parts by 2050 to replace the coal plants in America and have wasted 30 years waiting for nuclear instead of building fast cheap renewables, nuclear very quickly becomes a worthless choice

https://www.ceem.unsw.edu.au/sites/default/files/uploads/publications/MarkBaseloadFallacyANZSEE.pdf

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Fuckyourdatareddit t1_j65avwr wrote

😂 you think people will pay multiple times what they need and wait years longer to power desalination plants 😂 You can just build a solar farm and solar thermal storage AND you use the concentrated salts leftover for the solar thermal.

People don’t spend extra money for zero benefit buddy

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Fuckyourdatareddit t1_j5xvrz4 wrote

To be net zero by 2050 fossil fuel plants need to be shut down and relaxed by 2050.

The average build time for a nuclear plant is just shy of a decade.

The fastest built time ever was just under four years.

There isn’t enough nuclear production capacity to build enough parts to replace nuclear plants that will be decommissioned by 2032, let alone to increase the net generation of nuclear power globally.

I don’t deny that with 20-30 years of expansion we could start replacing power generation needs with nuclear at 5% or more a year.

Do you understand that the basic mathematics behind nuclear plants means that they can’t be a meaningful part of replacing fossil fuels before 2050. Getting to 15-20 % electricity generated by nuclear would be a great help and provide good baseload power in case storage technologies aren’t advanced/produced enough to meet up with 100% renewables. But to reach that point requires hundreds and hundreds of times the funding, manufacturing capacity for components, and specialised construction teams than currently exist. In comparison renewables are on track to have over a TW of power generation built every year in solar panels alone, for a fraction the cost and in better than record nuclear time every single time, while also being fully recyclable now. Hundreds of gigawatts hours of pumped hydro locations are being planned and built for less than the cost of Nuclear even when combined with the cost of renewable generation. Hundreds of gigawatts of batteries are planned to be built and installed by 2030 in LiOn let alone newly developed iron batteries that are cheaper to build, require less rare component, and are more suitable to build large stationary batteries out of than lithium. Nuclear just isn’t going to happen, and doesn’t really need to

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Fuckyourdatareddit t1_j5val8r wrote

If we rely on nuclear plants to replace fossil fuels hundreds of millions of people will die from extreme weather events and loss of arable land. Yes progress is good, but if this is just more of the same it’s not progress, it’s just a waste of time and resources the could go into actually replacing fossil fuels.

If nobody is willing to put up the money to wait decades to profit for normal nuclear, why would they do it for new, potentially more expensive nuclear?

Even if it doesn’t take a decade and it costs less (fat chance it costs less, the article literally says the designers think it will costs up to 50% more to generate electricity) the infrastructure to mass produce them won’t be ready for decades, well past every tipping point for 1.5 and 2 degrees average temperature increase.

Honestly, when people are advocating for nuclear it really makes me think they have zero understanding of the timeframe and urgency involved in needing to replace fossil fuels

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Fuckyourdatareddit t1_it46pt7 wrote

Pity there aren’t any operating prototypes for small commercial nuclear reactors yet 😂 But yeah of course, just wait for the the prototypes to be built and tested and improved and THEN start building more nuclear power, that’ll solve all our problems… in fifteen years when the first of them come online

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