GaudExMachina

GaudExMachina t1_j8ozdwr wrote

So, you admit I have some points, you want to argue over whether its super localized (again as I pointed out and gave alternative disposal scenarios in the original post) versus could have larger cascading effects, as we see in all kinds of complex systems. (See above about fertilizer usage spread on continent, killing marine fisheries)

But ultimately.....it is NOT BS. Not at all. You say as much, and continue to pretend it is all FUD, though it clearly has been "argued over many times" for good reason.

Thanks for your 2 cents......

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GaudExMachina t1_j8oawiq wrote

It really isn't. A few things to consider:
As I pointed out, the LOCAL effect is the most dangerous.

Infiltration rate of ground water into rock is relatively low, but recharge due to water permeability of rocks into aquifers is on the order of thousands of years. Which means when you take all that water and combust it somewhere else, a reasonable amount of it ends up going into recharge zones and being taken out of the "dynamic" cycle for a while. As well as being removed from the drainage basin feeding back into the soon to be hypersaline environment.

Plenty of research out there to show that very small salinity changes cause significant damage to ecological niches, though it is considerably more pronounced in freshwater systems, it still has far reaching implications in Salt water. Even a small percentage of change in the ocean leads to changes in the freezing point/dissipation rate which can disrupt weather patterns, change density of currents which carry nutrients and also provide turbidity.

You have zero idea about this topic, and are basing what you are saying on a notion that it FEELS like this is just too big to fuck up. And yet here are some things we have done that have fairly drastic impact....our world has been getting warmer since the industrial revolution. Denuding of forests for agriculture has caused drastic changes to groundwater runoff. Using Potash for fertilizer has caused massive algae blooms that have created dead zones in various places around the world. Hypersaline water has destroyed local fishing ecosystems around the Middle East where desalination plants have been very common for a long time.

Don't want to believe? Go do some research on Florida Estuaries and how the spawning grounds of quite a few important marine fish are being changed by salinity changes. (Only a tiny portion of these changes come from the handful of Desal plants Florida has, but the point is that salinity is still important).

Or here is a link of evidence in a local area of how desal plants hurt a sensitive biological marker species. https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/142a/293bfa6e2e618b777ab328dacd3e33144908.pdf

I'm sure if you spent more than 5 minutes searching around, you would find plenty more.

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GaudExMachina t1_j8jbx6v wrote

Over time that causes small salinity percentage changes in ocean water. While it would slowly diffuse into the oceans given turbity, in the short term it might destroy the local ecosystem. Many creatures are very sensitive to salinity changes. Accidentally kill off the base of the food chain or a keystone species and say goodbye to all creatures in those waters.

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GaudExMachina t1_j7qx8ut wrote

To piggyback, I checked around and seismologists suggest this was at a depth of 18 km below the surface. Not as deep as some, so more surface effects.

Also a horizontal strike slip, so lateral movement between the two plates, so there won't be much vertical component. 7.8 is a massive earthquake, but by no means as insanely powerful as some of the 9+ that have hit Chile within recorded history. I recall reading that one of those in the 1950s had an offset of 30 meters along its rupture zone (deep in the earth), but I'd need to go find a source on that.

For an exceptionally rough estimate, OP could try envisioning the ground suddenly shifting laterally 15 meters while they stood upon it, then scale that back by a factor of more than 10 as this one was considerably less powerful.

Devastating for a building that rises multiple stories, while having a narrow base and made out of inflexible materials. But for a person on the surface of the earth, it would knock them flat.

Edit: Good illustration posted in pics
https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/10wsr6n/anatolian_plate_moved_335_meters_after_the/

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