Kaiju_Cat

Kaiju_Cat t1_j50ulkt wrote

People who continue to serve someone who is in no condition to make a rational judgment alcohol for the purpose of profit deserve to be held liable for their grossly negligent actions. People like you pretend like that also somehow means that the person who drank the alcohol is now completely absolved of all responsibility.

No. Everyone involved was at fault to some degree. It's up to the courts to figure out exactly where that fault lies. A lot of people go through life thinking that fault is some kind of 100% 0% fault lies. A lot of people go through life thinking that fault is some kind of 100% 0% game.

And that's an absurdly childish and uselessly simplistic way of looking at things in a situation like this.

People hear that a company might be liable for gross negligence and they like to puff up their chest and act all self-righteous and loudly declare that no one is held responsible for their own actions anymore and it's just the dumbest shit.

Stop.

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Kaiju_Cat t1_j503811 wrote

Just turn off the goddamn panel. It's not that hard.

Put in a few time clocks beside the lighting panel. Hell just buy a cheap lighting contactor panel. Holy shit how is this a problem. You could hire an electrician and have this fixed in a day. With cheap parts. This is not an issue. What in the hell.

Unless the entire building installed some kind of lighting fixture that takes a data cable to turn them on and the fixtures themselves won't work without it - and I have never even heard of such an abomination - I don't see why you can't just tear out the automated control cabinet and put in something that's not stupid.

Even if you don't want to fix it you can still at least just turn the stupid thing off. What is it like hardwired right off a locked dedicated transformer off the utility with no disconnecting means?

Jesus I want to drive out there and just take a look at it to see what kind of cluster mess they have.

Reading the article it feels like this school district is getting scammed and skinned from here to Sunday by everyone they contacted.

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Kaiju_Cat t1_j4zw179 wrote

If they kept serving her after she was already drunk then that is actually largely on them for what happened as a result. Not saying that it eliminates her responsibility entirely. But if you're drunk, you are objectively not in a state to make any kind of reasonable decision. That's kind of why there are laws everywhere that put a legal burden on an establishment not to serve people like that.

I work very briefly in the food industry and asides from washing their hands this is one of the number one things they drive into your head. Businesses that are licensed to serve alcohol take this stuff extremely seriously for good reason. The legal liability is huge.

People have kind of gotten to the point where alcohol gets treated like it's harmless. It's not. It's actually not. It's a mind-altering substance. It's fine if used responsibly! But part of the responsibility is that whomever is providing it needs to also be responsible.

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