>They arent on the floor rubbing themselves on a carpet while building a board man.

They not assembling them correctly either. Please educate yourself with any basic electronic assembly good practice guidelines and it will surely include strong wording about ESD precautions way above not rubbing on the carpet.

The rest are questionably acquired statistics.

NO single maker in the word of electronics can prevent you from zapping the PCB.

Also because all your "keeb build stream gurus" still showing you to handle PCBs without ANY ESD precautions, you think this is the correct way to assembly electronics.

The bad consequences do not necessarily exhibit themself immediately giving you impresion about product quality and never your own wrongdoing during assembly or re-build.

In one hand this alone should void any warranty claim afterwards (in my opinion) but...

In other hand this should be on to makers/vendors to:

• Issue clear ESD precaution disclaimer with any PCB.
• Request the content creators promoting those boards to practice and educate ESD precautions to the community.
  (there is clearly a commercial opportunity to create trend of fancy coiled ESD cables with aviators and colour matched wrist straps ;-)

The fact that most of boards do not die is not a proof they are any more resilient to ESD.

This is only intended to educate yourself from someone who over several decades professionally dealt with hundreds if not thousands of various electronic products that have been damaged by ESD.

The conclusion I have from this experience is that no consumer device is immune from ESD, there is no 100% protection against it, and you can only improve your chances by observing precautions.

In case of the PCB failure you should talk with your vendor before launching negative campaign online - that is just my personal approach I find to be most sensible (and a reason for my unpopular comments against instant lynching of the maker).

Good job, you disqualified yourself from further discussion by pulling most absurd calling card.

I think you put your comment in wrong thread.

>You dont need professional examination... to see if one board has more esd/static shock issues

You still don't see the difference between number of occurrences and the actual cause of them.

>owners of space65 are more vocal about these problems...

Obviously more people will whine about Space65 going wrong than... Razor - here lies your unprofessional perception of "more"

Like I said - this is not to dismiss the possibility this PCB is more vulnerable but this not mean it is flawed by wrong design.

My final argument is that 99% of you handle PCBs without any ESD precautions potentially compromising ESD protection and the consequences may not be immediate.

In professional approach this alone disqualifies any afterward claim against the product / maker.

They are - do some search .

Never said this is normal. Those incidents are surely not normal occurrence, but Jumping to conclusion without professional investigation just proves your ignorance. No pro will make such conclusion just because "numerous people" managed to damage their boards.

And this has nothing to do with the maker - the typical childish mantra of accusing me to somehow covering for the company just disqualifies you from further conversation.

>ESD works until it doesnt

This applies to... every single electronic device on the planet :)

And I read about ESD damage on pretty much all Discord keeb channels...

I would rather blame "keeb build stream gurus" for showing you to handle PCBs w/o any ESD precautions.... consequences do not have to show up immediately. 3 decades of electronics repairs would teach you that.

Of course I will not dismiss the possibility that this line of boards may be more venerable, but this requires professional examination not just your impressions.

Sorry dude, I have no time to teach you basics of electronics but:

Correctly designed keyboard (and frankly any other device in metal case) will have it's PCB ground line firmly connected to the case for multiple reasons (ESD included).

Of course some customs have a flaw when other contacts of the PCB may touch the case and this needs to be prevented but not because of ESD risk but simply just to avoid shorting circuits.

Because you have ONE similar aspect with yours you think you can decide this is exactly the same scenario? Wrong!

You can find (in this subreddit) multiple examples of various incidents with totally different board / maker and the same "disconnect/reconnect noise".

It does NOT make it "exact same issue".

Again you are talking rubbish.

You have no authority to judge this wasn't caused by anything else but "touching the key caps", because you weren't there, you have no info how OP build this board, how his setup is grounded etc etc... I have no time to talk about many other factors involved.

Any consumer electronic device is susceptible to ESD damage in some circumstances regardless of best efforts from the maker.

Your expectation based on "expensive custom" is just hilarious since high price has nothing to do with any extra ESD prevention.

There's numerous people reporting the same problem with pretty much any other board...

While all your "keeb build stream gurus" still showing you to handle PCB's w/o any precautions... but of course whole community jumps onto maker...

You are most likely describing different issue.

Finally a voice of reason.

Google internet sheep to educate yourself ;)

You're probably just another sheep.

No silly, maybe read my comment again and again before typing nonsense.

FYI: I am only opposing false statements about facts and coming up with absurd conclusions - all clearly made by wannabe experts. It has nothing to do with this maker.

>products that can’t survive static electricity

And you just done the same! Congratulations!

You all can downvote as much as you like - you still not qualified to make this judgement about the product or maker.

Tip: read comments below about very similar incident with completely different board from different maker - only total ignorant goes instantly to exclusively blame product or maker.

Again, isolating the PCB from case is different subject and in regards to ESD PCB's ground line actually needs to be connected firmly to case.

This is pretty irrelevant to this topic. You are talking about preventing unintentional shorting of the PCB in badly designed board - nothing to do with ESD risk.

Instead of just asking to buy PCB you should explain the situation and see what they propose.

>wow a board of that type of cost and it has no ESD protection? that just blows my mind....

You should check your facts before making wrong statements and absurd accusations suggesting the makers intentionally made this possible.

Answering your next question: the so called "ESD protection" does not guarantee total immunity and number of factors may contribute to such incident. No - I am not able to investigate this remotely and this is why I would restrain from making silly conclusions.