I think you didn’t understand my comment. It was sarcastic.

sorry, there’s no space for nuance on discussions about crime here. this person should be incarcerated for a minimum of 30 years and must wear a “felon” label on their clothing for the rest of their lives.

drawing lines like this is silly how? the point of animal welfare is to incentivize more humane treatment of these creatures before they are killed so they don’t suffer as much for their lives

Hudson valley farms absolutely still uses force-feeding machines with tubes though so I’m not sure what you mean by ethical.

I don’t disagree with you there but banning excessive cruelty before slaughter is more achievable than banning meat altogether. Just because it ends up dead either way isn’t a good excuse to tolerate unnecessary cruelty before the end.

that’s a good philosophical question and hard to answer objectively. I can only state my opinion that the suffering that the bird goes through is unnecessarily cruel. the animal would suffer less if it was permitted to eat food in a more natural manner before it is slaughtered. the end result is the same but the journey to the end is not, and that to me is deserving of reconsideration.

the force feeding of the ducks for the last few weeks of their lives makes it a little bit more cruel and painful and that’s why it has become an issue. factory farming holds animals in captivity in restrictively small housing but there is not enough political will or popular opposition that will end it anytime soon. ending the sale and production of foie gras is an incremental step that is much more achievable since the average person rarely consumes it. it’s more of a symbolic gesture towards improving the lives of animals harvested for meat.

It’s not altogether great for the bird:

Force-feeding

Force-feeding is used to produce the size and fat content that qualifies a liver as “foie gras” (1). Ducks do not have a crop as most other avian species, but have a large esophagus, the capacity of which can be further increased with repeated filling. During the fattening period, a 15 to 25 cm long tube is inserted into the esophagus, dispensing up to 450 g per meal, typically with 2 or 3 meals per day. The volume of feed the birds receive is significantly in excess of what would be their voluntary intake. The repeated capture, restraint, and rapid insertion of the feeding tube and expansion of the distal esophagus can cause aversion and discomfort during force-feeding and immediately afterward while the esophagus is distended. This is a risk factor for esophageal injury and associated pain (2,3). Because geese and ducks do not have a crop, the increasing amount of feed given prior to force-feeding, and the force-feeding itself cause anatomical and physiological adaptation including expansion of the lower part of the esophagus, increased heat production, panting, and production of semi-liquid feces (4). The risk of damage to stretched tissue is greater than that of normal tissue, but it is not known how great this risk is in force-fed ducks (4).

Force-feeding overrides animal preference and homeostasis. Although ducks may, under some conditions, voluntarily consume large amounts of feed, if force-feeding is interrupted in experimental conditions of foie gras production, drakes will voluntarily fast for a period of 3 days or longer, suggesting that the individual animals have been fed past the point of satiety (5).

Animal welfare of foie gras

The issue is that foie gras typically is made by force-feeding geese using a tube. There are Spanish farmers trying to make it using naturally fed poultry but it is not as common.

Honestly, I don’t believe most teachers and nurses would do the same kind of silent quitting the NYPD is notorious for. they seem to employ people of better morals who don’t put their paycheck above the public good.

I’m not a teacher.

when it comes to essential services such as firefighting and law enforcement silent quitting is not acceptable for the public good, especially as well paid as these professionals are. no one dies if a teacher calls out sick.

because they’re being paid to to do their jobs. that’s what a job is. if you want to protest doing your job, then quit instead of draining taxpayer resources.

we need officers to actually do their jobs instead of playing candy crush and refusing to answer calls because their feelings were hurt by some politician. if they were actual heroes they wouldn’t be so influenced by a corrupt union leader.