Matt1050

Matt1050 t1_j6leo8u wrote

"I'm not ok with hunting animals unless we capture them and breed them incessantly to the point where a majority of their species lives in their own feces and stands shoulder to shoulder with its kin waiting until it's fat enough to die for us"

How in the fuck is hunting more cruel than industrial livestock? Would you rather be killed fleeing for your life out in the wild or you and your entire species be born into a prison filled with an inch deep of feces to wait to be eaten?

Your perspective is nonsensical and idiotic.

Edit: btw, if whales were bred in captivity as an industrial source of meat, you can guarantee breeders would artificially select traits effectively genetically engineering them into a new subspecies. There are almost no wild cows, dogs, or chickens anymore because they're near extinction levels. But that's better right?

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Matt1050 t1_j44nu8f wrote

Your insinuation of my bias is... Well, incredibly biased.

You said it yourself, saying "but what about him" is a logical fallacy. In fact, it's literally called a whattaboutism.

Still. Biden's lawyers probably would have never searched his residences if there weren't precedent established that classified documents weren't being handled properly. Hell, that's the entire reason why searching Mara Lago seemed so outrageous in the first place: because it was assumed prior to that moment that the President of the United States was held to a certain standard, and that the title implied a certain level of both honor and scrutiny that would have made such a thing impossible.

And yet... It happened anyways. And Biden's residences were searched. Why? Not because the federal government had reason to suspect missing documents, but because Biden himself was trying to cover his own ass for mistakes he knew would paint him as a hypocrite. If you think this is anything less than damage control you're mistaken. Biden made the same mistake as Trump and is trying to do "the right thing" to save face.

In other words, the two events are inextricably linked. They are direct and related events: cause and effect.

Cause - Trump took secret documents and, knowing his demeanor, arrogance and tendency to surround himself with loyalists he probably told a few too many people about them.

Effect - rapidly losing trust from those on the fence after Jan 6th, someone ratted him out to the FBI who went searching

Cause - Trump tried to hide the documents and downplay their significance, rather than hand them over and fess up

Effect - scrutiny over classified documents in the hands of politicians was heightened

Cause - Biden's lawyers, cognizant of the newly heightened scrutiny from the FBI decided to get out ahead of their gaze and hand their documents over willingly

Effect - Trump supporters are calling Biden a hypocrite, and Biden supporters are downplaying the significance of his transgressions

In every step of that chain of events Donald Trump and his supporters are equally if not more involved than Biden and his.

Conclusion: this is not a whattaboutism. It is entirely relevant to get the guy who "started it" involved in the conversation. To my knowledge no such presidential transgressions regarding theft and/or "borrowing" (depending on how you look at it) of high value documents has occured since Nixon. Trump did it first, not Biden.

Nixon was impeached for Watergate 49 years ago. Nearly 5 decades. Trump was president 3 years ago, and was raided less than 6 months ago. You literally cannot say that isn't relevant not only given it's proximity but, again, the fact that the two of them will be competing for election in the next cycle.

Please explain to me how the two most prominent political figures in the United States are not relevant to each other the second either of them does a damned thing? We, as voting citizens, are here for one purpose and one purpose only: to decide which of these two knuckleheads gets to run our nation into the ground. You cannot help but compare these two events as they happened one after another and were effectively the same exact event, besides one crucial factor: Biden gave them over willingly.

In fact, I'm almost willing to say that Biden took the documents intentionally just so that he could give them back willingly and show the world that he is a more honest and transparent president.

Think what you want to think, but I never said they shouldn't both be punished, I only said the Mara Lago raid is just as relevant. News and politics are rarely so compartmentalized and separate.

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Matt1050 t1_j438rfu wrote

I don't disagree, hell, he shouldn't even be president. But the fact that we all watched the presidential debates and STILL voted for him over Trump is evidence enough that Trump is God awful as a leader. I don't care what any cultists or fanboys have to say, I have no love in my heart for sleepy Joe, but I'll take him over Trump any day.

You don't win elections by riling up your voter base, that's a slippery slope into violence, extremism, revolution, and coup de'tat. You win elections by pandering to those on the fence. And Trump is anything but on the fence. You can't be on the fence and build it too.

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Matt1050 t1_j41vpn0 wrote

Here are a few takes from a liberal for any conservatives ready to pounce on this:

  1. He's an idiot for making the same mistake as Trump and should face similar consequences

  2. He did not take any actions that necessitated a literal FBI raid against him, he gave them over willingly

  3. The fact that his lawyers found them and returned them, rather than found them and began the process of hiding them, is telling of the integrity of the people he surrounds himself with, and therefore his own integrity as a president.

  4. Yes, he's sleepy, yes he's geriatric, yes he's got Alzheimer's... but that's just a legitimate excuse for why he would slip up like this. Trump does not have Alzheimer's and is not "sleepy"... So where is his medical excuse for hiding top secret documents, exactly?

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