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MeteorPhoenix t1_jdb6ias wrote
Reply to comment by TheLieDetectorBro in Israel says no plan for new settlements in West Bank area evacuated in 2005 by Throwaway08080909070
Look, I understand the legitimate security issues Israel faces. I don't live through it and I don't want to live through it, but I understand. Retreating from Paleatine isn't going to bring peace, I know that. Some sort of military occupation is going to continue until the bombs stop.
What I can't understand, and what makes me angry, is that Israelis time and again vote for people, parties and policies that make the security situation worse. At a certain point, it just makes most of the voting public cruel. Just stop settling in the West Bank! If there's an illegal settlement, kick them out! All it does is create more death and suffering for both nations, and for what? I don't get it.
MeteorPhoenix t1_jdaon1s wrote
Reply to comment by TheLieDetectorBro in Israel says no plan for new settlements in West Bank area evacuated in 2005 by Throwaway08080909070
None of this, none of this, has anything to do with settlements. These are all arguments for a continued military presence in the areas, raids, attacks, etc. Gaza given you problems? Send the army in, crush the people bombing you. Those are military responses to military problems and they are not war crimes.
This is not what we're discussing. We're discussing state-backed settlements into a land seized by force, which coupled with the demolitions of Palestinians houses and villages, is open ethnic cleansing of the West Bank. Absolutely zero of the things you've described are.improved by settlements. Clearly Israel isn't bothered with the bombs, guns and knives if it pursues policies that worsen those problems with no clear goal in mind beyond wanting the land. The settlements make any two state solution actually impossible. So then what, what's the goal?
You want them to hate you less? Stop demolishing their houses.
MeteorPhoenix t1_jdal7iu wrote
Reply to comment by TheLieDetectorBro in Israel says no plan for new settlements in West Bank area evacuated in 2005 by Throwaway08080909070
You led with them being there for thousands of years, which doesn't matter.
But ok. Crimea was transferred to Ukraine in 1954. This fact doesn't make Crimea Russian. Atrocities on the Jews in 1948 doesn't justify war crimes in 2023.
MeteorPhoenix t1_jdakp33 wrote
Reply to comment by TheLieDetectorBro in Israel says no plan for new settlements in West Bank area evacuated in 2005 by Throwaway08080909070
I don't see how it's more complicated than that. The West Bank and Gaza are considered to be occupied land, which Israel took in war. Settling citizens in occupied land in a war crime, because it's a form of ethnic cleansing. If we cared what happened thousands of years ago, let's just go ahead and revive the Roman Empire then.
Palestinians killed Jews. Ok. Is your argument that this justifies continued settlement in occupied land (again, a war crime)? Palestinian terrorism or inability to compromise on borders is not a justification for settlement of Palestinian lands by Israeli citizens.
MeteorPhoenix t1_jd9q55f wrote
Reply to comment by DarkWangster in Israel says no plan for new settlements in West Bank area evacuated in 2005 by Throwaway08080909070
That's not pretty fair; settling in occupied land is a war crime.
MeteorPhoenix t1_jed255d wrote
Reply to comment by QubitQuanta in 'We've made it clear that Russia is a friend': Pandor doubles down on SA's Ukraine stance. by tandemuis365
An even more correct thing would be to say they support colonial invasions and illegal annexations.