youve gotta pick a lane eventually my friend

you either want to ostracize people or you want them to join you, but you cant have it bith ways.

hope you figure it out soon

i wont be responding to any further messages from you because im afraid my words are falling on deaf ears.

i dont know if youre doing this on purpose but if you stop arguing for 5 fucking seconds and listen to me, im trying to help you

If you want people to join your side and go vegan, you gotta stop with the aggression and name calling and general assholeness

because the only thing you're doing right now is driving folks away.

Do you want people to go vegan? if so, then the way you're going about this is detrimental to your own interests.

it makes no sense

imagine i was trying to convince you to eat fish and my only argument involves calling you a rapist or a murderer

youd be like "wow fuck that guy, fish eaters are dicks"

im not sure people were that concerned with slavery in 8500 BC, they were more concerned with not starving to death.

dont misunderstand me, with current technology we absolutely do NOT need to consume animal flesh.

we could get by with vitamin fortified vegatables and plants. Its not hard at all to synthesize and add iron, protein, b12 etc to plant based foods.

my explanation of how we got here is not an excuse for the current industrial farming as a whole.

i eat a diet that includes meat. im not a vegan at all.

but i want you to understand that i do agree that animals should be treated better.

the place where we disagree is in weighing the cost and the extent to which we treat them better. In a perfect world, we would eat whatever we want and we could do it ethically. But we dont live in a perfect world and in this world we need concrete, financially feasable plans for progress to be made.

And we BOTH likely know that the wealthy elite run the entire country and in order to change anything we have to either convince massive corporations to spend tons of money on something or convince the government to force them to do so.

You calling normal, employed, doing-their-best-to-get-by people slavers on the internet is not helpful at all and will simply make folks not wanna listen to you.

so you have to ask yourself:

do you care more about standing your moral ground on the internet even at the cost of literally driving people away from the changes you claim you want?

or do you care about actually trying to transition the world to a plant based diet?

because if you actually cared about what you claim to care about, you wouldnt be here ACTIVELY working against your own best interests, youd be trying to get people on your side.

You know how theres those churches that everyone hates and they claim to love jesus but then shit on other people all the time and call them horrible things and every atheist in the country goes "wow Christians are kinda bad people like statistically just bad"

well you just did that exact same thing.

my reply was intended to change YOUR mind about how to talk to people, it wasnt a rebuttal of your core argument that eating animals is wrong.

actually, i havent even shared my own belief on the matter at all. for all you know at this point, i could be a diehard vegan.

my point was that alienation, insults, aggression and violence towards any demographic is going to breed hate instead of understanding.

I couldn't care less about whether or not you actually convince anyone to become a vegan, i simply was trying to give you advice on how to share your opinions in a way that people will be receptive to.

I see the same things all the time with every other current social hot topic. Prolifers calling Pro choice people monsters. Pro choice calling pro life bigots. Republicans calling dems snowflakes. dems calling republicans racists.

im not here to argue the actual point you want to make, im here to tell you that your method has room for improvement.

again, you dont have to listen to me at all.

but if you DONT WANT people to become vegan, youre on the right track. call people names and insult them and you can be sure theyll continue to reject your beliefs.

but its beginning to seem as though you dont actually care about the topic at hand and are simply looking for confrontation for confrontation's sake. Which is not helpful and not something id like to take part in.

And although i sincerely hope you see at least a little truth in my words, it is for the above reason that i wont be responding to any additional comments you make in this thread.

Im not telling you what to do, you have the liberty to live your life the way you see fit.

Im just saying that IF YOU WANT people to listen to you, dont call them names like "rapist" or "abuser".

this will only make your audience even less likely to pay your arguments any attention

thats not it at all.

Cows and Pigs are livestock because they turn low-value, low calorie, low nutrient organic mass into high-calorie, high nutrient mass.

we cannot digest grass, but cows can. We noticed that a long, long time ago and realized we could feed all that useless grass to cows and get useful meat out of it.

Pigs are valued because they can digest basically anything and turn it into nutrient dense meat, which was (at the time) more valuable than the companionship they can offer.

Fast forward 10,000 to 11,000 years and we have massive billion dollar industries dedicated to using these animals for their "useless biomass into useful biomass" traits.

asking us to abandon that industry now is a silly proposition because the amount of effort, money, time, and logistics involved far outweigh the small benefit of making vegans happy.

tldr: we eat pigs and love dogs in the modern world because the ancient world did it for so long that its unfeasible to stop at this point.

if you want people to see your side of a disagreement, maybe dont call them a rapist.

Having strong opinions and being emotional is understandable.

Insulting people who disagree with you is not going to change their mind, its just gonna make them think you're an asshole.

In like 2001 or 02 or so i mentioned to a guy at FYE that i really liked blink 182 and he handed me a MCR cd

my life was never the same