Purely_Theoretical
Purely_Theoretical t1_j9hx34u wrote
Reply to comment by contractualist in What Morality is Not (and why it's not the Repugnant Conclusion, Utilitarianism, or Libertarianism) by contractualist
The entire point of that paper is to give a libertarian justification for having concern for future generations. Namely it extends the lockean proviso to them. I summarized the paper in my first comment.
Therefore, libertarianism does not fail to account for future generations. This is your false claim and I have refuted it.
Purely_Theoretical t1_j9hslce wrote
Reply to comment by contractualist in What Morality is Not (and why it's not the Repugnant Conclusion, Utilitarianism, or Libertarianism) by contractualist
That paper is proof you are wrong about the lockean proviso and wrong in your conclusion.
Purely_Theoretical t1_j9hk63u wrote
Reply to What Morality is Not (and why it's not the Repugnant Conclusion, Utilitarianism, or Libertarianism) by contractualist
> libertarianism adopts a person-affecting view, whereby the moral status of an act depends on the rights and consent only of affected living people.
Is this an axiom or a conclusion? If axiom, it is a strawman. If conclusion, a non sequitur.
> To give future people rights under libertarianism would already be accepting a hypothetical social contract since future people cannot actually consent.
This is a non sequitur. Pure libertarian principles confer rights and obligations to people where it might be known who the victim will be, and exactly what will happen to him, but it might be temporarily impossible to communicate with him. Or it might be known that some person or other will be the victim of an act, but it might be impossible to find out which person. This naturally extends to future generations.
You may also consider the scifi case where a man does not exist today, but will miraculously exist tomorrow. In such a case, it is immoral to build a trap that would kill the man when he materializes.
Purely_Theoretical t1_j77pt75 wrote
Reply to comment by contractualist in There Are No Natural Rights (without Natural Law): Addressing what rights are, how we create rights, and where rights come from by contractualist
You really fell down a rabbit hole of bad logic.
Purely_Theoretical t1_j74zobm wrote
Reply to comment by contractualist in There Are No Natural Rights (without Natural Law): Addressing what rights are, how we create rights, and where rights come from by contractualist
Just because you and a majority consent to a moral system, doesn't make the system actually moral. Sometimes one is morally bound to violated immoral laws.
Purely_Theoretical t1_j74y09x wrote
Reply to comment by contractualist in There Are No Natural Rights (without Natural Law): Addressing what rights are, how we create rights, and where rights come from by contractualist
> Laws under these regimes can be compared to an illegal contract. This can include a contract where one party acted under duress, coercion, or fraudulent information. Under our legal system, contracts like these would be voidable,...
Hence, the failure of social contract theory to handle explicit rejection of consent.
Purely_Theoretical t1_j74wq52 wrote
Reply to There Are No Natural Rights (without Natural Law): Addressing what rights are, how we create rights, and where rights come from by contractualist
How can one reason that the social contract is legitimate? How was it consented to? What happens when the state breaks their end of the contract?
Purely_Theoretical t1_j0vaag8 wrote
Reply to comment by coyote-1 in Our stated political beliefs are irrational when taken as a package – the don’t appear to form coherent wholes. But we should be skeptical about whether these irrational political beliefs are really beliefs by IAI_Admin
You would have to do a lot more work to prove those things are contradictory.
Regarding pro life, the GOP seems to be heavily weighting things being done TO a life, like abortion, relative to things happening as a result of inaction. I don't think that's obviously incoherent.
Regarding guns, they believe guns offer them a means to protect themselves and loved ones. People of diverse ideologies have recently lost trust in the police. Couple that with the fact that the police legally have no duty to protect you, and have qualified immunity when they do something wrong. Again, not obviously incoherent.
Purely_Theoretical t1_ix3hjm5 wrote
Is there a social contract in the first place? Can the terms of the contract be rejected?
Purely_Theoretical t1_j9wno0j wrote
Reply to comment by Denk-doch-mal-meta in [OC] Visualisation of a current UN vote by Denk-doch-mal-meta
Is this bait