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RL203 t1_jbqk840 wrote
Reply to comment by bgardsy in Toronto, replace electrical panel by [deleted]
Well I did it exactly as described buddy. Everything I did was through the ESA. I have all permits. I have no reason to lie.
And you don't need to be a licensed electrician to rewire your own home in Ontario. And you don't need to be a licensed electrician to add or change a panel.
Or did you not know that.
"If you’re doing your own electrical work: If you are doing your own electrical work, you will need to file the notification. To confirm requirements and file a notification, call 1-877-ESA-SAFE (372-7233). Fees vary according to the type of work you’re doing."
Link:
And here:
https://esasafe.com/compliance/diy-electrical-work/
And yes, I own a copy of the electrical code.
RL203 t1_jbo35ve wrote
Reply to comment by DoctorWhisky in Toronto, replace electrical panel by [deleted]
I can't really speak for the ESA.
I suspect that if the inspector wanted to get all involved, he could look at the wires, check out the date stamp. He might ask you who installed these wires. I don't know.
Or he could just do the job he was asked to do, which was inspect your panel and go.
I'm just not sure how you phrase this with ESA. Do you call them up and say, "I have an existing panel in my house and would like to have it inspected"
To which they respond, "why wasn't it inspected when it was installed?"
To which you respond....I dunno what.
You could tell them the truth (The truth will set you free.)
You could lie and say it was there when you moved in and you want to make sure it's ok.
As far as inspecting the wiring goes, if the walls are closed and you don't have photos of the wiring when it was built, the ESA really can't do their job.
Allot of people have a basement built by a neighbourhood contractor who will wire it without permits. That's not that unusual. Some guys know what they are doing and others are hacks.
RL203 t1_jbnzaq8 wrote
Reply to comment by bgardsy in Toronto, replace electrical panel by [deleted]
You're not disconnecting a service, you're pulling a meter. Panels get changed every day in Toronto multiple times.
And as far as a source goes, I've done it twice in Toronto, both times called Toronto Hydro, both times been told to cut the tag and then have panel inspected by ESA.
I have no reason to lie to you.
The first time I changed a panel, I was surprised myself. Last meter I pulled was 7 years ago, things may have changed, I don't know. Also, in one occasion, I had my panel relocated. It has to be 3 feet from the front of the house I was told. I also wanted to replace the old No. 6 60 amp wires with 100 amp wires. I hired an electrician to do that. He changed from the top of the mast head to the panel, including a new panel. (I then rewired the whole house). The process with the temporary connections at the top of the mast head was how that was handled.
Suggest you call Toronto Hydro.
RL203 t1_jbkik51 wrote
Reply to comment by bgardsy in Toronto, replace electrical panel by [deleted]
Totally incorrect.
Even if you were to hire a contractor to relocate your service, supply and install a new masthead, panel etc. Your contractor installs everything makes a temporary connection at the mast head, then THE ESA inspects everything.
Once that's done, Toronto hydro will come, make the permanent connections at the mast head and apply the tag to the meter. That can be days or even weeks later and you need to be home when they do it.
Hence the temporary connection.
RL203 t1_jbjvwff wrote
Reply to comment by TemagamiDry in Toronto, replace electrical panel by [deleted]
If it's been inspected by the ESA, your insurance company cannot deny you.
I would fight any such nonsense.
But if there was no permit pulled and no final passed inspection, all bets are off.
RL203 t1_jbj1hp2 wrote
Reply to comment by Gastronomicus in Toronto, replace electrical panel by [deleted]
ESA must inspect all electrical work done. Even if the electrical work is done by a licensed electrician, the ESA is still required to inspect.
Whether he's an electrician or not, I don't know. He may be a CET or even a P. Eng. Don't know.
RL203 t1_jbj0jiy wrote
Reply to comment by DoctorWhisky in Toronto, replace electrical panel by [deleted]
I dunno.
But let's say that same formerly young guy was now getting older and had learned the pitfalls of cause and effect, like a fire and the insurance company sees a newer panel in an old house and asks about permits.
You could try calling the ESA and asking them to inspect the panel I suppose. They will always help you. And a panel is not hard to inspect. It usually doesn't require opening up walls.
But hopefully that same young guy didn't run any new and obviously new wires. Because new Romex wire is date stamped st the time of manufacture right on the outer insulation. They can easily tell when the wire was installed and if that young guy was the owner at the time, he's in for a world of hurt.
RL203 t1_jbizjny wrote
Reply to comment by Mnemosynesis in Toronto, replace electrical panel by [deleted]
It's built in a factory to any number of specifications. CSA, ULc, ASTM, etc etc.
The factory will have engineered it, signed and sealed the drawings, certified it, submitted it for testing and certification from the various governing bodies, then during production, the manufacturer will have a series of quality control procedures and protocols in place to ensure compliance, most likely ISO certified.
You don't need to inspect it.
RL203 t1_jbiyzq4 wrote
Reply to comment by Walkop in Toronto, replace electrical panel by [deleted]
Ok. They contract the install of the tag to a contractor. But I call hydro to arrange for that. As long has ESA has inspected it, they will tag it.
RL203 t1_jbiyfdn wrote
Reply to comment by Mnemosynesis in Toronto, replace electrical panel by [deleted]
Meters are definitely tagged in Toronto, at least where I live, which is high park. In order to remove the meter head, there is a clamp around the circumference of the base of the meter that is loosened via a bolt. The tag runs through the bolt to prevent it from being tampered with. You can't remove the meter without cutting the tag.
I'm 100 percent sure of this.
Everything I've described, I've done myself.
And I'm currently in the process of a full rewire of my current house. The process for that is the same. Phone ESA, pull a permit. They will inspect at the rough in stage and the final stage.
You get 2 inspections at the rough in stage, if you fail the second inspection, you need to pay again.
RL203 t1_jbhr9jw wrote
Reply to comment by Gastronomicus in Toronto, replace electrical panel by [deleted]
No
A homeowner is allowed to change his own electrical panel.
You phone the ESA, you tell them you want to change your panel, you pay the fee, you cut the tag on your meter, you pull the meter out of the socket, you change your panel, you call ESA and they will come to your house to inspect your work, hopefully it passes and they will put a sticker on your panel, you call toronto hydro and they will put a new tag on your meter.
RL203 t1_jaczkja wrote
Reply to comment by led76 in Digging out basement? by MRMAGOOONTHE5
I am a licensed professional engineer (structural) in Toronto and I did my own design for both permitting and construction methodology. So it was free (figuratively speaking).
If I was to be asked to do a design for underpinning a basement my fee would be 10k to 15k which would include hiring a geotechnical engineer to do a borehole and give me a report on the soil I'm dealing with. Drawings would be signed and sealed, suitable for permitting and construction with all specs on the drawings.
As to the cost per square foot, I have no idea. I took a month off work and hired a foreman and two / three pairs of hands and paid them all by the hour. I also laboured / directed with the crew.
Work included new main sewer, new basement drains, some waterproofing, subdrains, excavation, new columns and footings, new concrete floor on 2 inches of SM, vapour barrier, crushed stone subfloor, new water service, plumbing work, and all new electrical panel and associated rewire.
100k to 125k (I didn't keep track of just the underpinning, it was part of a much larger renovation. I kept a spreadsheet of the entire project, which I'm still working on. So my price is an estimate.). Price does not include finishing the basement.
It's a lot of hand digging, staging, pumping of self compacting concrete, etc.
RL203 t1_jac9o27 wrote
Reply to Digging out basement? by MRMAGOOONTHE5
My house was built in 1922. I could not walk in the basement without constantly ducking my head (I'm 6'-3" tall). I was always hitting beams or HVAC ducts or bare light bulbs (always fun when you are bent over for some reason, stand up and take out a light bulb with your head).
I underpinned my entire house coming away with a basement that now has 8'-6" of headroom.
It's a long story and if you are interested, I can tell you how I did it later as I have to get my ass out of bed and head out just now.
But I will tell you this, the pay off is worth it but it is dangerous if you do it wrong. Think stages. Lots of stages.
RL203 t1_j8xwzbh wrote
Reply to Unpermitted work: Should I come clean? by rojopolis
Let sleeping dogs lie.
The only thing that might give me pause would be in inspected electrical work IF (and only if) you weren't confident of your work. If you were CONFIDENT with your electrical work, then I'd say you'll be fine.
RL203 t1_j29qjq1 wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in 3 way circuit wired correctly? by lurkerNC2019
By that diagram, box 2 is the end of the line since he has not shown any other wire exiting box 2.
According to his post, all he did was add a second switch to control the light / fan. Now both switches are 3 way switches.
RL203 t1_ixyqhfy wrote
Reply to comment by phyrros in Correct Drill Bit Help by ApocalypseLater93
You are correct
11.7/25.4 * 32 = 14.74 /32
=~15/32
RL203 t1_ix8th53 wrote
Reply to comment by nich3play3r in Bathroom fan replacement question by Zeno_Fobya
I know your pain.
RL203 t1_je8hthj wrote
Reply to Bought house and old paint comes off with barely a scratch. How to prep for a new paint? by Cychotical
Someone applied Latex paint over oil paint.
Latex paint typically will not stick well.to oil paint. If you paint Latex over oil, it will peal off. It can be done, but there is a process. Definitely requires a prep and then applying a coat of fresh start primer on top of the oil paint and then Latex on top of that..
https://steelespaint.com/benjamin-moore/benjamin-moore-primer/fresh-start-multi-purpose-oil-based-primer/