SufficientTicket

SufficientTicket t1_j1den0z wrote

I don’t get your first sentence.

Cops can’t do anything if they can’t find the person. And they also can only do what they’re legally compelled/trained to, or have resources for. Which is highly likely they didn’t have the training of a social worker or psychologist, and is also highly likely that there was no staffing or on call system in place at the time. We have both and still usually our only options are to clear the scene, pass along hotlines or to commit.

Six figure cops are far from the norm in almost every regard. When they exist it’s because of overtime/details funded usually by things like traffic grant or private companies. It also requires hundreds/ thousands of hours extra work. Not just forty hours a week.

I would like to see your sources for that. For us it’s simply not the case, even based off of the first few articles in google.FBI reports no increase in violent crime from 2021, however there was an increase from 2010 to 2020, and there has been no statistically significant decrease sense.

Locally that is simply not the case for major crimes. Hartford has had an increase in murders. Waterbury has had an increase in murders and shootings just to name a few.

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/crime-rate-statistics

https://www.fbi.gov/how-we-can-help-you/more-fbi-services-and-information/ucr/nibrs

Those FBI stats also are specifically referencing violent crime which means person to person victimization, which person to person contact is substantially down since the pandemic. Property crime is on the rise nationally.

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SufficientTicket t1_j1brg5a wrote

It’s not the way you seem to think it is. Really at all. We work very well with the resources when they’re available, but it’s not up to us or our departments to make them available.

Our budgets are already stretched and the outside partnerships we form often don’t last because of staffing. I’ve personally seen social workers just walk off the job because of adverse conditions.

Year after year we see decreases in use of force incidences despite a rise in call volume and increase in crime recently.

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SufficientTicket t1_j1b3akd wrote

While the emphasis on the training is fine and the rationale makes sense, you won’t make experts of police in one week/40-hour session of “CIT Training.”

The training is no where near where it needs to be to accomplish that much in that short of time. Licensed social workers requires a full time curriculum at a university to meet CT standards and even then that’s no guarantee of success. The state would benefit by increasing its budget into social work and creating a stronger 24 hour response system that can work in conjunction with law enforcement.

I have taken CIT, and had the unfortunate pleasure to sit through a few other sessions afterwards and it appears to be all the same. Very smart people (experts in their fields) just telling a room full of cops what a condition is and not how to handle it.

And due in large to the gaps in resources we currently have, it usually means we have to commit whoever we’re dealing with to a hospital for a mental evaluation (if the circumstance rises to that) or else try to find a hotline for them to call. Even the the large consensus from the former is that the hospital discharges shortly after because they aren’t an “immediate threat” per the doc in charge of the ER and/or the latter the person tells us the hotline was useless for their particular circumstance which often requires multiple sessions and adjustments over weeks/months/years to fully sort out.

We’d be better off funneling that training time and budget for cops to fund defensive tactics and martial arts training like BJJ, and/or as I said to enhance the states response to mental health outside of police.

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