The_Bitter_Bear
The_Bitter_Bear t1_iusdxxe wrote
Reply to comment by GrimReader710 in When it comes to Cuba's military victory at the Bay of Pigs, does Che Guevara deserve any credit or should it be assigned exclusively to Castro's leadership? by Anglicanpolitics123
To your last point, I completely agree. They wildly overestimated anti-Castro sentiment. If it had been successful, it probably would have ended in the backup plan of having the forces retreat into the mountains to launch a gorilla campaign and would have been obvious that the US was involved. It was probably better that it failed.
Kennedy was originally on-board and then started to get concerned with keeping political distance and started making them change the plan. He should have scrapped it all together because instead he got a failure that obviously had the US behind it.
I guess I'm just always surprised how much of a role he had in the mess it was but it mostly gets attributed solely to the CIA.
The_Bitter_Bear t1_ius9bf8 wrote
Reply to When it comes to Cuba's military victory at the Bay of Pigs, does Che Guevara deserve any credit or should it be assigned exclusively to Castro's leadership? by Anglicanpolitics123
For anyone claiming it was just the CIA blundering or the troops being poorly trained I would recommend giving the Stuff You Should Know episode on The Bay Of Pigs a listen. It is a good episode and goes into a lot of stuff that wasn't revealed until long after.
While it was most likely a bad idea regardless, Kennedy made them change a lot of the plan and made an even bigger mess of it. When he started to get cold feet he should have scrapped it entirely, instead he forced them to make changes that pretty much guaranteed it would fail. It also was blatantly obvious the US was behind it still so he didn't even achieve his goal of trying to politically distance the US from it.
The_Bitter_Bear t1_ius8ama wrote
Reply to comment by GrimReader710 in When it comes to Cuba's military victory at the Bay of Pigs, does Che Guevara deserve any credit or should it be assigned exclusively to Castro's leadership? by Anglicanpolitics123
It was mostly Kennedy that prevented the full proper plan from being executed. He changed the landing location, time, and cut the resources and critical parts of the plan. The CIA catches a lot of the blame and they certainly own some of it but Kennedy really made a mess of it.
Stuff You Should Know did an episode on it that is really good.
The_Bitter_Bear t1_ius6yvi wrote
Reply to comment by Call_of_Tculhu in When it comes to Cuba's military victory at the Bay of Pigs, does Che Guevara deserve any credit or should it be assigned exclusively to Castro's leadership? by Anglicanpolitics123
It was more complicated than that. Kennedy forced them to completely change their plan. Was it probably a bad idea either way? Sure, but the CIA getting all the blame isn't a fair assessment either.
He could have pulled the plug and instead he turned it into a complete mess after initially being onboard.
Stuff You Should Know did a pretty good episode on it.
The_Bitter_Bear t1_iuhwc9l wrote
Reply to comment by jpmoney in Your insurance will most likely be going up by Grayjay000
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The_Bitter_Bear t1_iuhum26 wrote
Reply to comment by youchasechickens in Your insurance will most likely be going up by Grayjay000
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The_Bitter_Bear t1_j5etf7i wrote
Reply to TIL that cats are more vocal with humans than with other cats. by Everyusernametaken1
Mine seems to find new sounds to make every day. She started off pretty quiet, now it seems like she's working on her Ted Talk some days.
I'll give the chatty little cutie some credit though, every sound seems to genuinely communicate something.