ThymeParadox
ThymeParadox t1_iyc2kcl wrote
Reply to comment by 3dio in For The First Time, Less Than Half Of UK's Population Is Christian: Report by khushraho
Well, yes, obviously it's just humans making choices, because the bible is a work of man.
But contextually, we're talking about whether or not Christianity is a good source of morality. People that believe it is tend to do so because they believe it to be a divine work. But those people need to reckon with the heinous acts commanded by their god.
ThymeParadox t1_iyc1m9m wrote
Reply to comment by Winnmark in For The First Time, Less Than Half Of UK's Population Is Christian: Report by khushraho
With omniscience and omnipotence, he could alter the initial conditions of reality in order to lead someone to make a different choice. By setting up reality the way he did, god is choosing to lead everyone towards the choices he knows they will in fact be making.
You can't have it both ways. Either god is not omnipotent and/or omniscient, or god is responsible for the choices that we make.
ThymeParadox t1_iyc10s1 wrote
Reply to comment by Winnmark in For The First Time, Less Than Half Of UK's Population Is Christian: Report by khushraho
So god, in all of his omniscience, didn't know what choices we would make from the first moment of creation?
ThymeParadox t1_iybz7dh wrote
Reply to comment by Winnmark in For The First Time, Less Than Half Of UK's Population Is Christian: Report by khushraho
I mean, ethnic cleansing, genocide, and slavery are in the bible, so, I don't think it's just people misrepresenting an otherwise 'good' religion.
ThymeParadox t1_iybz3yy wrote
Reply to comment by Winnmark in For The First Time, Less Than Half Of UK's Population Is Christian: Report by khushraho
I take issue with 2, especially.
God is supposed to be omniscient and omnipotent. Nothing happens that he did not foresee. And since he would be the first cause, everything that happens, happens as a consequence of his act of creation.
With those three traits combined, how can you going to hell be anything other than an active choice on god's part? God established the 'rules' for which afterlife you go to. God established the rules of causality that lead to your existence. And god has the ability to tweak the initial conditions of the universe in such minute ways to cause your life to play out differently.
If god is omniscient, omnipotent, and the first cause, it follows, as a logical necessity, that god absolutely makes an active choice and is directly responsible for the afterlife that every single person goes to.
ThymeParadox t1_iyer7gj wrote
Reply to comment by Maeglin8 in For The First Time, Less Than Half Of UK's Population Is Christian: Report by khushraho
I think, based on my understanding of Christianity, a Christian would simply say that god has the power to override your free will, but simply chooses not to, and as such god is still omnipotent in that he still can do all logically possible things.
But there are still lots of problems with the tri-omni stuff, a very obvious one, in the context of this conversation, being 'is god incapable or unwilling to give people that don't accept Jesus a pleasant afterlife?'