The coyote does not wish to guide the white man, or the mexican man, or the yellow man, through the dense brush.

I just want to point out reddit's bigotry here. You're not actually making any arguments and instead attacking me as a person, and your comment has upvotes, but every one of my common has down votes.

It's a mixture of hilarious and infuriating. I worry about what you might do to me, and people like me, if consequences and anonymity were removed. Not just anonymity.

I need a drink

Anytime. Next time maybe send me a private message, I lost so much karma, here because of the bigots it's not even funny lol

With that said, I also think it's not complicated at all. There's no abuse here. I simply think some people have already made up their minds before they look at any argument for or against something.

It's actually incredibly difficult to try and look at something objectively. It's very difficult to ignore our feelings, our goals in life, our experiences, so on and so forth.

Lol its ok. Reddit is pretty bigoted against people with faith.

He did/does.

He'll just never force anyone to do anything.

He may have set things in motion, but he does not prohibit us from changing the outcome, if we choose to.

The rules are set, but we get to choose how/if/when we follow them.

I'll bite, and only because you flattered me. What? I am vain as well. Caesar was, look how it turned out for him!

Right. These types of questions typically carry a few preconceptions:

1. hell is the cartoonist's depiction of devils with whips and a never-ending fire
2. there is an active decision made by God to put someone in hell
3. a fundamental misunderstanding, or flat out ignorance, of the mechanics of sin 3.A) A fundamental misunderstanding, or flat out ignorance, of how sin affects our relationship with God
4. a misunderstanding of love, in a theological context
5. The idea that God chooses to love, or hate, people on the flip of a dime, or on a precarious balance read out of people's "good" or "bad" actions.

This is a MASSIVE oversimplification, but essentially, when we choose to sin we choose to replace God and make ourselves be deities, thus magnifying all of our positive and negative traits to their possible extremes.

If we choose to replace our creator with ourselves, thereby separating each other, then we cannot access the true love of the Creator The absence of true love then, would be hell

It's like saying I want to quit my job right now, but I still want to receive the paychecks. Or, renouncing your citizenship, but still feel that you should cast a vote in this or that election.

I encourage you to, should you actually be interested in this, further look into points one, three, and 3A. There are several religiously themed subreddits you may wish to explore, given that this post was specifically talking about Christianity, you might want to look at r/AskAChristian

Who did?

Furthermore, we could have been made perfect, and then broken down. Or, I suppose we could have been made flawed on purpose.

Who knows bro.

This has been fun, but I have to run Keep on thinking, and I'll keep on drinking Don't jump to conclusions, we all have our dilutions

You're saying that people have used religion to do some terrible things, yeah that's not new buddy.

You are under the assumption we were made flawed.

Good argument though, I've never seen this out of your average redditor. I like it. I still find it troublesome, of course, but good try.

Prove it.

Yeah. That's why I don't belong to any of those denominations or sects or cults or what have you.

On the contrary, I believe that all human institutions are flawed.

In my experience, nine times out of 10, people pick and choose the way they want to make history seem to better their cause.

It's not your fault, I'm pretty cynical after all.

Prove it.

Make me.