Zucc_Boi_
Zucc_Boi_ t1_j28yrc9 wrote
Reply to comment by Alkdmani in Russia's Putin Welcomes Return To Power Of Israel's Benjamin Netanyahu by Gopu_17
Israel is doing the heavy lifting, carrying out pretty much all kinetic operations on its own. In terms of contribution, the US comes second. Saudi Arabia isn't even in the top 10 list.
Zucc_Boi_ t1_j28ykzd wrote
Reply to comment by ScienceFactsNumbers in Russia's Putin Welcomes Return To Power Of Israel's Benjamin Netanyahu by Gopu_17
Well he's not getting it from Israel. Israel was never Russia's friend, and after going through several wars with one another, their relations are a simple "don't bother me, I won't bother you".
Zucc_Boi_ t1_j28ygky wrote
Reply to comment by Tduhon in Russia's Putin Welcomes Return To Power Of Israel's Benjamin Netanyahu by Gopu_17
Jews don't need an enemy to keep existing, but okay. That's like saying blacks need whites to keep existing, or vice versa.
Zucc_Boi_ t1_j28y60r wrote
Reply to comment by InterPunct in Russia's Putin Welcomes Return To Power Of Israel's Benjamin Netanyahu by Gopu_17
Israel and Russia are not friends, more like "we're enemies, but we have other things to focus on". Unlike Europe-Russia dynamics, there are many factors at play that decide how Israel-Russia relations progress. For both, it's impossible to just shut everything off and say "we're done talking". Europe can certainly afford such an approach.
Russia's and Iran's mutual arms deals plus Israel's aid to Ukraine are definitely putting a strain on Israeli-Russian relations, but it would take a lot more than that to sever their ties.
Think of it as a more complex version of US-China relations. Both are actively taking military actions against one another, but trade continues.
Zucc_Boi_ t1_iugvxq0 wrote
Reply to comment by jisaacs1207 in Ukraine says Iran’s help for Russia should push Israel out of neutral stance by Lahampsink
>If you want to be pedantic, fine. Otherwise:
>https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/article-698743/amp
>https://www.axios.com/2022/02/27/us-protests-israel-refusal-condemn-russia-un
>https://www.arabnews.com/node/2032486/amp
>Israel failed to the toe the line of their supporters.
>There are other examples of similar, but that is a fairly recent time.
>Then, of course there is stuff like this:
You failed to address the fact that this (all are one case, not 3) was anticipated and coordinated with the US when Israel was seen as a potential mediator. As soon as mediation efforts broke down, Israel immediately switched to harshly criticizing Russia. But before any criticism, Israel was already providing Ukraine with humanitarian and material support.
Ukraine's decision, on the other hand, came as a surprise to everyone, and unlike Israel it did not abstain, but outright supported the resolution when the entire west didn't.
>Then, of course there is stuff like this:
>https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2002/apr/30/israel
How is that related to anything? Israel is defending itself, and so is Ukraine.
>My point, excluding the voting, stands however.
>Both Israel and Ukraine rely on foreign powers, Israel for much longer than Ukraine. Both countries express their own agency in politics as is their right.
>We are in the brink of a world war and genocide is being committed under our noses. “But they voted against us so…” shouldn’t even be on the table.
>Especially not for cultures that have been the victim of genocide in the past. There were many reasons given to not become directly involved in ending the holocaust, and I’m glad empathy and rationality won out.
Your point does not stand, because your only argument was proven to be false. Israel does not vote against its own allies, and does not go against them when it seeks their help, therefore Ukraine shouldn't antagonize its allies either. You can say it's just a vote, but it's also an expression of one's policies, and Ukraine is decidedly anti-Israel.
Zucc_Boi_ t1_iuf91lh wrote
Reply to comment by CamelSpotting in Ukraine says Iran’s help for Russia should push Israel out of neutral stance by Lahampsink
Okay buddy.
Zucc_Boi_ t1_iuf8zqs wrote
Reply to comment by jisaacs1207 in Ukraine says Iran’s help for Russia should push Israel out of neutral stance by Lahampsink
So Israel hasn't actually voted against its allies?
Zucc_Boi_ t1_iuf8uru wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in Ukraine says Iran’s help for Russia should push Israel out of neutral stance by Lahampsink
Wanna also smell my underwear?
Zucc_Boi_ t1_iuf3tj9 wrote
Reply to comment by phrostbyt in Ukraine says Iran’s help for Russia should push Israel out of neutral stance by Lahampsink
Me too. I support Ukraine and will keep supporting it regardless but I think Zelensky personally has some deficiencies that may harm his otherwise noble cause.
Zucc_Boi_ t1_iue3lx9 wrote
Reply to comment by jisaacs1207 in Ukraine says Iran’s help for Russia should push Israel out of neutral stance by Lahampsink
I'm not aware of such instance. Can you provide an example?
If the resolution at hand was consistent with Ukraine's current policies or Ukraine's vote in favor was driven by any security or political needs, fine. But it is neither consistent with its policies, nor does it assist it in any way. The resolution was passed in the UNGA, not UNSC, making it symbolical; was sponsored by some of the most pro-Russia and anti-Ukraine nations; and finally is about denuclearization of a country Ukraine depends on for assistance, while Ukraine itself suffers greatly from its own forced denuclearization.
Zucc_Boi_ t1_iue20ll wrote
Reply to comment by jisaacs1207 in Ukraine says Iran’s help for Russia should push Israel out of neutral stance by Lahampsink
What are you on about? If Ukraine wants to be anti-Israel, they should not demand Israel's support and rail on it for allegedly not providing any (despite the abundance of evidence of Israel's support). Don't bite the hand that feeds you.
Certainly they shouldn't tell Israel that it should stand on the right side of history and then proceed to stand on the wrong side of history themselves at the UN.
Zucc_Boi_ t1_iudtd8g wrote
Reply to comment by pepelepew111111 in Ukraine says Iran’s help for Russia should push Israel out of neutral stance by Lahampsink
Especially since today we got a painful reminder that Israel is still as anti-Israel as it was for decades.
Zucc_Boi_ t1_iudt9ih wrote
Ukraine decries Israel's decision to limit support to diplomatic, humanitarian, and military, but avoid providing significant weapon systems.
Yet Ukraine seems to have no issue voting against Israel at the UN, a policy whose reversal would be the absolute bare minimum they could do to support Israel back.
Zucc_Boi_ t1_j290cda wrote
Reply to comment by Tduhon in Russia's Putin Welcomes Return To Power Of Israel's Benjamin Netanyahu by Gopu_17
It really isn't. In terms of foreign policy, Israel's center-left governments were consistently better performing, and that includes Iran as a threat. In case you're not following, Israel's right wing parties' PR is dominantly focused on internal security, with 2nd place being playing on the feelings of the poor.
Iran is a serious threat to Israel, not a boogeyman. Hence every party takes a strong stance vs it.