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drnick5 t1_jawpm6r wrote

Yeah, my house has baseboard oil heat, hence why I had to install ducts, but figured I'd keep it as a backup. In the event we lost power for an extended period of time I can use it for heat, as I have a Tesla power wall setup, but the heat pump would drain that pretty quick. The only time I've used the oil furnace was a month ago or so, I had some water get in the basement, so I threw the wall hanging mini split on it's "dry" mode to help dry it quicker. But since I only have 1 condenser, and it was on cool mode for the basement I couldn't use it for heat on the main 2 floors.

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drnick5 t1_jawo0dk wrote

This was 2 years ago now, so I'd expect prices to be a little higher now. I'd see if they can do it all with 1 larger condenser as it will certainly save you money. (I know mine can do up to 5 zones) but they'll come out and look at your place, take some measurements and give you a quote. They were super straight forward, and very low pressure.

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drnick5 t1_jawkofe wrote

I had 3 quotes done from 3 different companies all using Mitsubishi. I had them price up mini splits and fully ducted. Carjon was the most reasonable for both options. But ducted made more sense as I would have needed 2 outdoor condensers if I went with the mini splits in all rooms option.

I think my total price was around $30k. Mitsubishi hyper heat 3 to heat pump, 2 air handlers, 1 wall hanger mini split, 2 of the wireless thermostats, 2 kumo cloud adapters. I also got a $3k rebate back from National Grid, where Carjon supplies all the forms, I just had to fill out my personal info and send them in. (I believe RI energy may have bigger rebates now).

Overall, quality of the install was great. Took about a week to install. When I ordered they were booking installs like 3 months out. My only complaint was the placement of a vent in the bathroom too close to the toilet, but I can see that they had limited options. The system heats and cools super well and is pretty efficient. I haven't needed to use my oil fired baseboard system since I put it in.

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drnick5 t1_jasmuvh wrote

This is actually what I did, I have 2 floors and a half finished basement. I did 2 air handlers (one in attic, for 2nd floor, and one in unfinished side of basement, for the first floor) then had them put in a mini split in the finished part of the basement.

I don't have any app control on the mini split, as you need to buy the Kumo adapter for each endpoint. So I only have them on the 2 airhandlers. I will say the Kumo cloud system has gotten better but it still pales in comparison to Nest or Ecobee, yet costs a TON more. I've heard rumors they are overhauling it... but I don't have anything concrete on that. I'll say it has become better over time as they've made some updates, it just very finicky at times.

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drnick5 t1_jasjb2c wrote

CarJon out of Johnston did a pretty good job at my house. Installed a fully ducted system, using a Mitsubishi Hyper heat condenser. It's been super efficient and works great to heat and cool.
The only downside... Mitsubishi doesn't work with popular thermostats like Nest and Ecobee, so you need to buy their overpriced Thermostats, and use their god awful Kumo cloud system if you want to be able to control it using an app.

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drnick5 t1_j50dabc wrote

My only thought, is what happens if they have a low production year. and don't generate enough KwH to give out to their subscribers? I'm going to assume they have some sort of language in their contract to cover their ass.

Still, it does seem like a good deal!

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drnick5 t1_j50a3zy wrote

Interesting! This is definitely a different program than what they had before, unless I'm confusing them with another "alternative energy provider" but if I remember last I looked a few years go, they only had wind energy, and it was a locked in rate for the year.

My math at your rate for this month shows you paying 0.2998 cents per KwH factoring in all fees. Using my latest bill, I'm paying about 0.3031 per KwH. So it does seem to be cheaper.

The Data nerd and skeptic in me would love to see this tracked for a full year to make sure it actually is a savings, but it seems great!

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drnick5 t1_j4ymui9 wrote

That's good to hear! It's very possible things changed. I haven't looked in a couple of years now. Is there a maximum Kwh you can use per month? Are there other fees involved? I'm guessing you still pay the distribution and transmission and all the other fees to RI energy but don't pay for generation charges as that's coming from Arcadia?

Would it be possible to see a power bill with your personal info redacted?

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drnick5 t1_j4yg1g4 wrote

Arcadia is a scheme. Everytime I've looked they make you sign a 1 year deal. But, power adjusts every 6 months with RI energy So Arcadia sends out mailers just after the rate jumps for the winter in October. Saying "your power company just raised your rate! Sign up with us for 4 cents less per kWh!". But what they don't tell you is that rate is locked in for a year. So when April rolls around and RI energy lowers the rate, you'll end up paying Arcadia more.
It's all a sham.

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drnick5 t1_j4c87tx wrote

Reply to comment by smokejaguar in Heat Pumps by DogGroundbreaking568

No prob! Yeah, if you don't plan to be there for the long haul I probably wouldn't do it. In my case I sold my starter home 2 years ago and moved into my forever home which didn't have AC. So I spent the money as I'll be here for 20+ years. I also installed solar panels so the idea is to get myself as close to net 0 as I can.

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drnick5 t1_j4bn7yv wrote

Reply to comment by smokejaguar in Heat Pumps by DogGroundbreaking568

It was around $32k. That was for a Mitsubishi hyper heat condenser, with 2 air handlers (one in the basement for first floor, one in the attic for 2nd floor) and them installing all the duct work. (I only had baseboard heat previously)
I also had them put a mini split in the finished part of my basement. This was also with the kumo cloud wireless adapters so it can be app controlled.

I got quotes from 3 places, and they were the most reasonable (I used Carjon for the install) one company quoted me nearly $50k using the exact same equipment. I then got a $3500 rebate which the company gave me all the forms for. They let me finance it at 0% for 18 months.

I did look at going with mini splits instead of ducts, but since the condensers max out at 5 heads, and I would have needed 6 or 7, which would have required 2 outdoor condenser units, so it ended up being a similar price to go with a fully ducted install.

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drnick5 t1_j49nizk wrote

Yes, it's far more efficient than oil or gas. But you'd need to be in the house long enough to realize those savings.

If you plan to get central air (or mini splits) installed, then it's a no brainer as it isn't that much more to add the heat pump option.

There are also rebates available. I got a $3k check from National grid when I installed mine 2 years ago. I haven't used my oil furnace since.

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drnick5 t1_iupzk1n wrote

It's a big deal to me, yes. For the average person, it doesn't matter. Just because you think it's personally a "waste of money" for higher upload speeds for yourself doesn't mean that it is for everyone else. Even "hypothetically", as I don't believe any internet provider has plans that give you higher upload without also getting higher download. (with all cable companies, they give you 10% of your download as upload, but it caps at around 35mb. So 100/10, 200/20, 500/35, 1000/35).

I don't believe I ever said Cox is being deceptive, the issue is with docsis 3.1 itself. Since it goes over coax, it has a limit of about 50mb. (Cox keeps that at about 35 believe) if we had, Xfinity, spectrum, etc. Doesn't mattter, it's the same limit as they all use coax.

Overall I've been reasonably happy with Cox, but I'd love faster upload speeds which they can't provide. And as I said, if they decided to start price gouging, there is literally nothing I can do.

Just

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drnick5 t1_iupwu14 wrote

No, FIOS isnt availability in a lot of the state. This has to do with Verizon taking a ton of tax money to run fiber to "99% of homes that currently have copper" then stopping expansion during the 2008 downturn, and never starting again. They never got close to their 99% number, but due to loopholes in the contract, got to keep their money. (This happened in the entire US, not just RI)

Newport, Middletown, Portsmouth, Tiverton, Bristol and Warren, and I believe parts of south county can't get FIOS, not sure about Barrington.

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drnick5 t1_iupvok7 wrote

I'm confused by the whole statement. I never said "everyone needs fast upload" more so.. how is it a "complete waste of money"?

If you are get FIOS, you get the same speed upload or download. (100/100, 500/500, etc) You aren't paying more for faster upload. In some cases, you're paying less than what Cox charges

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