freshgeardude

freshgeardude t1_ja99faf wrote

Pretending this conflict could easily be solved over a specific line isn't reasonable, especially when the other side can go back in time and find an equally valid reasoning... But.... Only one side has regretted they should have accepted the 1947 Partition plan.

And before then, it was the British mandate and ottoman control.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-palestinians-israel-abbas/abbas-faults-arab-refusal-of-1947-u-n-palestine-plan-idUSTRE79R64320111028

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freshgeardude t1_ja98xoc wrote

To say religion plays no part in this conflict is hilarious. Palestinians, and Muslims in general, believe Palestine is holy Muslim land. It's exactly why jews can't pray at their holiest religious site (the temple mount). It's Palestinian rejection of a Jewish state on any of the land.

Jews can't live in areas controlled by the PA..

If this had no religious component, this conflict would have ended a while ago.

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freshgeardude t1_j93ql9a wrote

Did a single settlement consist of kicking out Palestinians, razing it, and building a Jewish community ontop or are you going to send me articles about animals grazing or roads being put up?

>Are you telling me that the rise of Hamas in Gaza is because Israel removed it's settlements?

No I'm saying the one time settlements were preemptively removed has lead to countless wars with Hamas. Israel isn't leaving the west Bank willingly and the majority settlment blocks are never going to be evacuated. Both sides know this and land swaps have already in theory been agreed on

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freshgeardude t1_j93mgg2 wrote

>Even if this were true, it doesn't mean it's "free real estate" that any other country can just go in and settle without regard to the people who live there. Colonialism is not a thing anymore.

I mean there're still multiple conflicts on this planet with disputed lands. And you're pretending the settlements are specifically displacing existing communities to move in Israeli communities. That's not happening

> That's true, Israel did withdraw from the Sinai and has a lasting peace with Egypt. That withdraw includes removing the settlements Israelis had established. > > But Israel has not withdrawn from the Golan Heights or the West Bank, though it did withdraw from Gaza. These examples show that while removing settlements doesn't immediately lead to peace, it is a necessary pre condition.

Factually untrue. Actually the opposite.

After a peace agreement with Egypt, then settlements were removed. As for Gaza, they removed them first and have Hamas now. There's zero chance Israel is making the same mistake..

>Does it? Ukraine isn't forcibly occupying territory outside its recognized borders, but Israel is

Perhaps this conflict is more complicated than you think.

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freshgeardude t1_j92yrbu wrote

The west Bank has never be part of a formal country as the Jordanians occupied it in 1949 after it was previously in british and ottoman hands. Until there's a Palestinian country with defined borders, it's still in dispute. Which is all to say, Israel has already shown a willingness to evacuate its citizens in exchange for peace (see: Sinai, Gaza, and proposed Golan heights).

Additionally, Ukraine thinks of itself as Israel in the conflict, not the Palestinians

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