logicalmaniak
logicalmaniak t1_iwc8xsv wrote
Reply to comment by HeavyLogix in A cross between an Existentialist and an Old Testament prophet, Danish philosopher Soren Kierkegaard urged his "single individual" reader to follow the "highest passion" of faith rather than becoming one of the stereotyped pseudo-individuals of "The Crowd" by thelivingphilosophy
>"I found God belief and now feel better, therefore a God exists."
That's not my position exactly. God happened to me, so I believe in God as much as anything else in my reality.
If you say "I found a banana, and it cured my hunger" can you jump from that to say that bananas exist and objective reality is definitely real and not just an experience you're having? You can describe your experience with labels like "banana" and "hunger" but there's no way to prove to yourself that bananas and hunger are actually real and not part of the dream you're currently having.
I describe my experience with labels like "God" and "consciousness" but it is just the labels on the experience. I experience tables and chairs, I call them tables and chairs. I experience God, I call it God.
> Please, for everyone's benefit, learn basic logic and skepticism
Sure. Prove that your belief in objective reality is justified logically and rationally. Prove it's real, and not just a materialist dogma you're applying to your experience of reality. Prove that things can even be provable, and it isn't a circular argument that relies on reality being provably real when it isn't.
I'll be sitting here reading Sextus Empiricus until you do...
logicalmaniak t1_iwbvps4 wrote
Reply to comment by HeavyLogix in A cross between an Existentialist and an Old Testament prophet, Danish philosopher Soren Kierkegaard urged his "single individual" reader to follow the "highest passion" of faith rather than becoming one of the stereotyped pseudo-individuals of "The Crowd" by thelivingphilosophy
Well if you're only going to cherry-pick my quotes for self-confirmation, you can believe anything you want about me.
The next bit, I said
>Now it's all gone
That's been logged with my doctor. I had mental illness, now I have none. I'm happy, productive, clear-thinking, and have fun in life.
That's a real change.
How can a real change be caused by something that isn't real?
logicalmaniak t1_iwbhfkv wrote
Reply to comment by DarkMarxSoul in A cross between an Existentialist and an Old Testament prophet, Danish philosopher Soren Kierkegaard urged his "single individual" reader to follow the "highest passion" of faith rather than becoming one of the stereotyped pseudo-individuals of "The Crowd" by thelivingphilosophy
Now kiss :)
logicalmaniak t1_iwbblf7 wrote
Reply to comment by HeavyLogix in A cross between an Existentialist and an Old Testament prophet, Danish philosopher Soren Kierkegaard urged his "single individual" reader to follow the "highest passion" of faith rather than becoming one of the stereotyped pseudo-individuals of "The Crowd" by thelivingphilosophy
An erudite argument with many good points. Sadly, it hasn't convinced me. Sorry. :)
logicalmaniak t1_iwbbikk wrote
Reply to comment by HeavyLogix in A cross between an Existentialist and an Old Testament prophet, Danish philosopher Soren Kierkegaard urged his "single individual" reader to follow the "highest passion" of faith rather than becoming one of the stereotyped pseudo-individuals of "The Crowd" by thelivingphilosophy
Well then, compare your experience of unicorns to others to see if they corroborate.
logicalmaniak t1_iwbbdqi wrote
Reply to comment by HeavyLogix in A cross between an Existentialist and an Old Testament prophet, Danish philosopher Soren Kierkegaard urged his "single individual" reader to follow the "highest passion" of faith rather than becoming one of the stereotyped pseudo-individuals of "The Crowd" by thelivingphilosophy
We're talking about belief in our experience. You believe in yours. You have faith in yours. I believe in mine. I have faith in mine.
You can't argue that your position is more logical than mine.
logicalmaniak t1_iwbbatv wrote
Reply to comment by HeavyLogix in A cross between an Existentialist and an Old Testament prophet, Danish philosopher Soren Kierkegaard urged his "single individual" reader to follow the "highest passion" of faith rather than becoming one of the stereotyped pseudo-individuals of "The Crowd" by thelivingphilosophy
No, I believe God exists based on personal experience and acceptance of that experience.
You believe objective reality exists based on personal experience and acceptance of that experience.
In fact, everything you've asserted relies on objective reality. Can you prove this is real? Using logic and evidence? Because if you can't, all other arguments based on predictable objective reality fall apart...
logicalmaniak t1_iwbb31w wrote
Reply to comment by HeavyLogix in A cross between an Existentialist and an Old Testament prophet, Danish philosopher Soren Kierkegaard urged his "single individual" reader to follow the "highest passion" of faith rather than becoming one of the stereotyped pseudo-individuals of "The Crowd" by thelivingphilosophy
> you’d need to show it, logically, with evidence
logicalmaniak t1_iw9rva7 wrote
Reply to comment by DarkMarxSoul in A cross between an Existentialist and an Old Testament prophet, Danish philosopher Soren Kierkegaard urged his "single individual" reader to follow the "highest passion" of faith rather than becoming one of the stereotyped pseudo-individuals of "The Crowd" by thelivingphilosophy
> otherwise the implications of not doing so would literally render me incapable of living as an acting being.
Again, not believing it's real doesn't have to be so destructive! It's a simple belief. So what if it's not real. Why does that change anything at all? Lots of people believe in simulation theory, or that it's just a dream, or a samsaran illusion without starving to death! Playing the game is not an admission that it's real.
>No, you don't have to grant the reality of God. It is not a requirement to be rationally coherent
I suffered huge anxiety, PTSD, depression, etc from a childhood of sustained abuse. I met God. Now it's all gone. So for me, the exact opposite is my reality. God gives me coherence. Lifts me above anxiety, above fear, above all my thoughts. Cuts right through them.
God is with me, and it's as real as anything else in reality. And while I'm experiencing God, it's rational to believe. Just as it's rational for you to believe in a materialistic universe while that is your experience of reality.
logicalmaniak t1_iw9lwq5 wrote
Reply to comment by DarkMarxSoul in A cross between an Existentialist and an Old Testament prophet, Danish philosopher Soren Kierkegaard urged his "single individual" reader to follow the "highest passion" of faith rather than becoming one of the stereotyped pseudo-individuals of "The Crowd" by thelivingphilosophy
> You experience stimulus that you attribute to God, but it is not literally equivalent to the experience of seeing a physical object with your own eyes.
You experience stimulus that you attribute to eyes, photons, and a materialistic universe.
>If you believe that is not "real", then logically there is no reason to eat the banana because it has no actual tangible impact on your life, so you won't do it.
Mario is not real. Goombas are not real. Millions of people are making Mario jump on Goombas worldwide. Logically there is no reason to jump on Goombas. Yet millions do. So that argument is a bit weak, isn't it?
>You have to grant the reality of the world, even if you know you're doing it arbitrarily
That's no difference to faith in God.
logicalmaniak t1_iw9bpqp wrote
Reply to comment by DarkMarxSoul in A cross between an Existentialist and an Old Testament prophet, Danish philosopher Soren Kierkegaard urged his "single individual" reader to follow the "highest passion" of faith rather than becoming one of the stereotyped pseudo-individuals of "The Crowd" by thelivingphilosophy
> You're obviously lying though. You can see and feel your wife, chairs and tables, etc. You can't literally see and feel God.
That's where you're wrong, because I do. Religious experience is common among our species!
> an intentional decision to suspend our lack of real justification for believing in the world because to do otherwise would render our ability to act impossible
Given that simulation could exist, and therefore multiple simulations could exist, the odds on this being the original reality is slim. You believe with zero evidence that this is real.
>an intentional decision to suspend our lack of real justification for believing in the world because to do otherwise would render our ability to act impossible.
That says more about you than about the nature of reality. Why is it axiomatic that function breaks down if the possibility that this is all not real is accepted, and/or believed? Plenty of people have concluded that it's not real and still manage to function. Are you so weak that you need this belief as a crutch?
In fact, could it not be that believing it's not real could free you up to try things you may have been scared to try? To lighten up in stressful situations?
You have faith in a materialistic universe because that's what you're experiencing, even though you know it could all be a dream you're having.
So it is with believers of God.
logicalmaniak t1_iw95gnf wrote
Reply to comment by DarkMarxSoul in A cross between an Existentialist and an Old Testament prophet, Danish philosopher Soren Kierkegaard urged his "single individual" reader to follow the "highest passion" of faith rather than becoming one of the stereotyped pseudo-individuals of "The Crowd" by thelivingphilosophy
No, God is as real to me as my wife, and you'd have a difficult time convincing me my wife doesn't exist.
God is a part of my reality, just as tables and chairs are a part of yours. You believe in those tables and chairs, and I believe in God.
>If the world isn't treated as real, even on an informal basis, then our entire ability to do things and expect results that we interpret as significant is destroyed.
That's suspension of disbelief. You know that if you make Mario jump on a Goomba, he'll destroy him. That's doing things and expecting results. That's not destroyed by Mario, the Goombas, and the entire world he exists in being nothing more than transistors firing.
logicalmaniak t1_iw8pxsz wrote
Reply to comment by DarkMarxSoul in A cross between an Existentialist and an Old Testament prophet, Danish philosopher Soren Kierkegaard urged his "single individual" reader to follow the "highest passion" of faith rather than becoming one of the stereotyped pseudo-individuals of "The Crowd" by thelivingphilosophy
> I consciously choose to live as though I believe it is true because there's literally nothing else I can do
That's how I feel about God. Is that not faith?
logicalmaniak t1_iw8np9x wrote
Reply to comment by DarkMarxSoul in A cross between an Existentialist and an Old Testament prophet, Danish philosopher Soren Kierkegaard urged his "single individual" reader to follow the "highest passion" of faith rather than becoming one of the stereotyped pseudo-individuals of "The Crowd" by thelivingphilosophy
Can I ask you whether you believe this reality is all real, or whether it's a simulation?
logicalmaniak t1_iw8goro wrote
Reply to comment by HeavyLogix in A cross between an Existentialist and an Old Testament prophet, Danish philosopher Soren Kierkegaard urged his "single individual" reader to follow the "highest passion" of faith rather than becoming one of the stereotyped pseudo-individuals of "The Crowd" by thelivingphilosophy
I'm not arguing for it being rational. I'm arguing that it works. You believe, you receive. Whatever neurological or cosmological explanation that has, it's still true.
logicalmaniak t1_iw6vimu wrote
Reply to comment by DarkMarxSoul in A cross between an Existentialist and an Old Testament prophet, Danish philosopher Soren Kierkegaard urged his "single individual" reader to follow the "highest passion" of faith rather than becoming one of the stereotyped pseudo-individuals of "The Crowd" by thelivingphilosophy
Faith is experiential. It isn't about throwing blind hope into the air. It's a two-way process. You do x, you receive y. But you don't know you receive y until you give x.
logicalmaniak t1_j6i2jao wrote
Reply to comment by TheVicSageQuestion in ELI5: How do they come up with names for countries in foreign languages? by bentobam
In Welsh, Germany is Yr Almaen, which is from the Alemanni, an ancient Germanic tribal confederation.