It means that many actions have long term consequences that are more valuable than the short term consequences.

E.g.

Smoking brings relaxation to some people in the short term but fucks them up in the long run.

>I'm saying it happened ALL the time

Is due to morons not doing anything right. It has nothing to do with the church. Because the church does not convict criminals. How many times do I have to say that????

>The Church should stay the hell out of it.

If you mean they should stay out of law enforcement, I agree. Because thats what the legal system is for.

>Here is over a decade of payout after payout, over a billion dollars:

And that averages about 8 victims a year. 8 victims out of.... 463,634 per year.

https://www.rainn.org/statistics/victims-sexual-violence#:~:text=On%20average%2C%20there%20are%20463%2C634,year%20in%20the%20United%20States.

The church has ~ 8. Out of 463,634.

Now of course is anything over 0 bad? Absolutely. But you're acting like the church has a monopoly on it. And it's quite obvious that 8 out of 463,634 is nowhere near being a large portion,the main culprit, or even moderately responsible for the majority of those acts.

>The church takes over the investigation

What part of "the police are supposed to handle people breaking the law" did you not understand?

It's like no shit if you go to Burger King and tell them "The gas pump station stole my money at Conoco!" they're not gonna do anything about it. Why is this such a hard concept?

You're basing a bunch of your vile on stupid people not reporting something illegal to the ONLY PEOPLE WHO CAN ACTUALLY DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. It's honestly really weird.

Also, since this apparently has to be said; THE CHURCH DOES NOT HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF ACQUIRING FORENSIC EVIDENCE TO PROVE/DISPROVE ACCUSATIONS. That's what the legal system is for.

The premise of your entire claim is completely flawed in every single way.

You do realize that its the police that handle people breaking the law, right? Lemme break this down for you.

If the church says "This guy has been abusing kids, ARREST HIM!".

The police will ask "Do you have any proof?"

And if the church responds" No, but the......."

Then the police will say"We'll investigate the charges since you have ZERO PROOF".

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Do you understand? How in the world do you not even know how our legal system works?

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“There are decades of proof the Catholic Church hid pedophiles”

I never claimed that “the church never hid pedophiles.”

You’re trying to argue like it’s an all or nothing thing. It’s very possible for them to hide some pedophiles while turning others in. But you’re trying to act like they’ve never in the history of the church turned in a pedophile. You literally said “The church hasn’t been turning them in”.

“That is a written policy”

Oh? I’ve never heard of the Catholic policy of “We don’t turn in pedophiles”.

Source please?

Your conclusion is based upon a supposedly untrustworthy group(the church) yet you’re saying their actions of firing this person is somehow trustworthy enough to condemn him.

How can you not see the blatant contradictions?

Oh? Can you site any sources?

So the pope saying “ we will look into these issues” actually means “the church never really turned in pedophiles before but now we will ”???

You’re doing a whole lot of biased assumptions.

Your logic is completely sound. /s

Yeah, it’s always easier to put your hands over your ears and ignore the other person than try to have a conversation. Good luck with that.

“What makes you think he was falsely accused?”

Probably the fact that it was a random board of religious people who made the judgement of “guilty” instead of using actual forensics to determine culpability.

“He was fired”

Being fired doesn’t mean you are guilty. It just means that keeping you around would make that group “look bad”. It’s a publicity thing. Aka societal manipulation.

“Given the Catholic Church and its priests actions surrounding rape”

It’s odd that you think that the Catholic Church is more likely to commit rape compared to other random people. I have yet to see any evidence which suggests that the Catholic Church has the monopoly on rape.

“He was accused….then continued to work with children”

A person should stop trying to help others if they’ve ever been falsely accused of a crime. Your logic is undeniable. /s

You’re basing this entire thing around an accusation that wasn’t proven in any way shape or form using any evidence based forensics or analysis or any legitimate standard.

Talk about mob mentality and mob justice huh?

But I guess people only care about due process when it’s themself getting the short end of the stick…….sigh….

“Judging by the history of the church”

Are churches more likely to not bring a guilty person to justice compared to non-churches? I was pretty sure people with agendas exist in both groups. Non-church people vs church people are generally equally full of shit. Because it’s both filled with “people”.

“Guessing you’re a churchy person”

Nope. But I don’t have to be religious to say “Every person has a right to a fair investigation before their life is destroyed”.

“What about the kids”

What part of “Do a fair investigation” sounds to you like “ruining a child’s life is okay”???

You’re taking tons of random shit out of the ether and trying to put those ideas into what I’ve said. And it doesn’t make any sense because I haven’t said anything of the sort.

Or maybe being falsely accused shouldn’t mean someone should stop trying to be a good person?

“The church hasn’t been turning them in”

A pedophile from the church has never been turned in? That isn’t an accurate statement.

What you mean to say is “a few people occasionally brush things under the rug”.

Or a fair investigation before they condemn an innocent person to a lifetime of misery?

Pretty sure everyone deserves a fair investigation.

Not really. They just had some random review board guess whether the clergy were innocent or guilty. It wasn’t even based upon any actual standards or evidence. Did you even read the article?

Yes, when you add a positive number to another positive number, your sum will ALWAYS be larger than either addend. That’s basic math.

Well if you’re not gonna answer the question you should probably stop responding.

A "Yes it is, not it's not" retort does not constitute as answering the question. Again, why do you keep responding if you're not gonna answer the question?

Why do you keep responding if you're not gonna answer the question?

Good job not answering the question.

You do realize that if a landlord cannot increase rent to match inflation, then the landlord will be unable to fix anything wrong with the residence right?

> There's quite a few things that can be done, most prominently rent control.

How vague and simultaneously useless. Good job thinking of "ideas".

People want equality and equity while ignoring the fact that everyone isn't the same. And no matter how hard you try, you'll never get equal results. If you give people freedom, they'll segregate themselves into different castes over time.

Your explanation sounds quite similar to the reasoning a mentally unstable person uses after they've stabbed a victim and then they blame that victim and say "Why did you make me do this?!".

> it's you that specifically asked for it to be spelled out.

All I asked was that you clarify a very puzzling statement you previously made.

> It is not me being condescending to a religious person.

Of course not, I'm not religious.

>Any religion's claim to the origins of life or the world is just like me claiming to know how to get to the next train station from your home. A fabrication.

This particular claim of yours only hold's any merit if you're certain that all religions are completely false. Given the lack of evidence to make such an irrefutable claim, this is again yet another very puzzling statement that you're making.

> And now it gets really funny: a religious person will, in the very likely case that my directions are wrong, still claim they are true, despite overwhelming evidence of the contrary.

A religious person will say a train station exists in a spot even though it doesn't? Wtf...you shoot out these bizarre statements rapid fire huh?