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thenagain11 t1_jdhqow7 wrote

In this article (which reads like a misguided hit piece) yeah. They fucking cherry picked a bunch of quotes from a long list of reports. But if you read other news articles from across state the MRI investigation also reports (which is the independent consultant brought in to evaluate the incident and whether the cops behaved badly) the woman herself says she drank 3 beers and a hard lemonade, that she blew over a .08 when tested and that she seemed even more inebriated by the time she was dropped off for overnight custody.

This article also works really hard to keep saying arrest arrest arrest like she was charged with a crime. Protective custody is not an arrest. if that was the facts, sure, but that article is deliberately trying to make a mountain out of mole hill. The lady needs help and the officer made a bad choice. But it was legal. Like there are plenty of actual fucked up things the cops do in this state. Like the cop in dover who beat his wife and stole edibles out of evidence lockers and then just got off scott free. Where's the outrage for that shit?

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thenagain11 t1_jdhfy44 wrote

They didn't search her house. They were inside with her while she was trying to call someone to come watch over her because they thought she way too drunk and when they went allowed inside they were even more concerned because you couldn't even walk around. I dont necessarily agree with the law or the officers' actions- but it is the law we have in this state, and they did not break the law or even the spirit. The misguided officer was worried about this woman's health and safety. He wasn't trying to teach her a lesson. He didnt infringe upon any rights as they are currently laid out. Maybe we should change the law or maybe even defund the police and fund other social programs that might actually help this poor lady. But right now, this is the system we have. Detention and short-term protective custody are all the state does to for the homeless, addicts and the mentally ill.

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thenagain11 t1_jdd61b6 wrote

I just looked it up. It was a PC. Seacoast online said:

"According to the report, after clearing the accident, Johnson decided to reapproach the residence with McCue, to check on the woman's status. When she came to the door again...she said she had consumed three beers and a hard lemonade. [They] asked if there was someone who could stay with her and when she walked into the house to make a call, they followed. What they found...caused concern...(Johnson) said that he had never been in a residence that was that bad since he has been a police officer.” According to the MRI report, McCue described it as “not livable.”

In his police report, McCue wrote he “smelled the odor of rotting food and fecal matter. There were mountains of trash and belongings throughout the house, making walking impossible without stepping on something. In the back bedroom, there were large piles of clothes and garbage. In the bathroom sink, I observed what appeared to be a combination of fecal matter, vomit and urine covering the table and sink."

According to the report, Johnson felt the woman should not be left on her own due to intoxication and the condition of her home. When he was told it would take an hour for the woman’s brother to travel to North Hampton, he decided he could not spare an officer to stay with her for that length of time. He allowed the woman to smoke her cigarette then drove her to the Rockingham County jail to be held in protective custody. According to the MRI report, McCue added, “She was compliant but did appear more intoxicated by the time he dropped her off at the jail.”"

The internal review of this by the MRI consultant basically said what the officer did was legal but just generally unhelpful:

"According to New Hampshire Chapter 172-B, a police officer who encounters someone who is intoxicated as defined by New Hampshire law may take the person into protective custody. The law states they can either help them to their home, release them into another person’s custody or “lodge the person in a local jail or county correctional facility for said person’s protection, for up to 24 hours,” or until the individual sobers up.... The report concludes that although Johnson believed he was acting in the best interest of the woman involved, his action was not appropriate "and other short- and long-term remedies should have been pursued."

The consultant noted, "the extreme conditions observed by the officers did not occur overnight. There is no nexus to connect her use of alcohol that evening to the condition of her home which may have developed over many years," he stated."

https://www.seacoastonline.com/story/news/local/2023/03/14/north-hampton-chief-mone-officer-investigated/70002700007/

Like that all makes a fuck ton more sense. Holding her overnight was legal- but probably unwarranted bc it really wasn't gonna do anthing to solve this lady's issues. This other article is misleading and missing a lot of facts. This form of custody is completely legal under NH law if they felt she was a danger to herself. And that's the real issue - laws like this are completely subjective to the officer. Clearly, the town didn't like the officers judgment on this and no wonder (like what the fuck was sitting in a cell gonna do? ) but this woman definitely probably does need some legit help.

The rest of the article goes on to say police chief diagreed with the MRI report, that she did not discipline the officers involved but that she did have a conversation with them that "there could have been a better resolution than taking the woman into protective custody." So it sounds more like she left bc she was sick of the town questioning her decisions more than she was covering shit up.

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thenagain11 t1_jdctpv0 wrote

I'm confused. Did they arrest her, or did they take her into protective custody? Because those aren't the same and the article doesn't clarify.

Protective custody would mean they took her in for observation overnight because they were concerned about her mental/inebriated state. The article makes it sound like the woman might have other issues - says her house was dirty and she hadn't cleaned in 10 years. I could see why officers would be concerned, but I dont know what our state laws are about hoarders and such. I do think they are legally allowed to take people overnight if they feel they are in danger to themslves or others, and there wasn't like another legal adult around to make sure she was ok. But arresting her for drinking would be some real bullshit. Hard to tell cause this article seems to be missing some info.

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thenagain11 t1_jbhrtk8 wrote

My tonsils were removed at age 3 - was I mutilated? No. I received necessary medical care. If a doctor, psychologist, and parents all feel this is medically the best choice for the welfare of a kid after years of treatment- who the hell are you to give your opinion. Most surgerys aren't even done until teen years or after, and not for years after a person has been living in their new gender and receiving regular therapy.

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thenagain11 t1_javx40x wrote

If you are doing something in protest you do so with the knowledge that you could always be arrested for your actions- dumb ass people that throw soup on painting for climate action get arrested- even if there is glass protecting it and it can just be mopped up - why shouldn't racists?

It's not a blank canvas - police don't want anyone putting stuff up on overpasses, especially those stupid cups, that is why there are laws. Any other person who did that without a permit should also be fined or arrested because it is a danger to safety if these things blow away into the windshields of oncoming traffic. That's why they have permits. It just isn't in the newspaper when those violators are fined or arrested because they aren't racists. This isn't infringing on anyone's rights. He did something stupid and bigoted. We should absolutely not let him get away with it.

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thenagain11 t1_j910c0r wrote

CT had similar issues: https://www.wfsb.com/2023/02/17/questions-raised-over-mysterious-soot-like-residue-that-accumulated-vehicles/

Their news is saying it's most likely dust/dirt from dust storms in Texas and Oklahoma. Apparently, these types of storms push a lot of junk high into the atmosphere, and it takes a while to float back down- which could explain why it got all the way to New england maybe?

What do you think?

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thenagain11 t1_j91024n wrote

CT had similar issues: https://www.wfsb.com/2023/02/17/questions-raised-over-mysterious-soot-like-residue-that-accumulated-vehicles/

Their news and meteorologists are saying it's very unlikely to be from the train derailment (would've passed us already) and is modt likely dust/dirt from dust storms in Texas and Oklahoma. Apparently, these types of storms push a lot of junk high into the atmosphere, and it takes a while to float back down- which could explain why it got all the way to NH.

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thenagain11 t1_ixd1976 wrote

our tax structure simply relies too heavily on property taxes which is slowly strangling all but the rich and upper middle class. You could raise everyone's wages and all that would happen is taxes and property values would rise with it. We need to reform the way we fund our towns and state infrastructure. We can't afford it as it is and it's going to kill our economy in the next 10-15 years without change.

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