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undefined7196 t1_jb8dfp8 wrote

Reply to comment by compostking101 in [OC] Meteor strikes around the world - First time using Kepler.gl, download button wasn't working so the quality isn't too good! Data from Nasa, tools used are Kepler and Illustrator by Ricky-Nutmeg

There is none in the ocean. There is none in the less developed countries. None in greenland. Population may be the wrong word. Scientific observable area map maybe? Notice there are a lot in India but they seem to respect the imaginary border connecting it to China?

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undefined7196 t1_jaexo9d wrote

Reply to comment by Porkinson in Either we're past the great filter, or ASI IS the great filter by Shoddy-Motor

Perhaps, but those surroundings would inevitably have human influence. I suppose you could make a simulated world and put simulated AI in it, you would need many entities so they could learn empathy and interaction with other beings. It would work similarly to a GAN (Generative Adversarial Network). Where the AI entities compete and that is what drives the learning. Then you just don't allow any human interference at all, just AI vs AI interactions. That could work.

That being said though, that could be what we are experiencing right now. We may be those entities being simulated to create a pure AI in a simulated environment. It would be identical to what we are experiencing, and we ended up being manipulative and destructive on our own.

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undefined7196 t1_jadi7gn wrote

Reply to comment by Iffykindofguy in Either we're past the great filter, or ASI IS the great filter by Shoddy-Motor

Exactly. Why did this take you so long to admit? I could not have been clearer on my question the 5 times I had to ask it. So we agree, that no one has overcome their instincts right? We agree on that? We have no example of it happening and no valid reason to think it can happen outside of pure hopefulness. Correct?

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undefined7196 t1_jadbpsb wrote

Reply to comment by Iffykindofguy in Either we're past the great filter, or ASI IS the great filter by Shoddy-Motor

Are you fucking kidding me? You are not in jail. You never feel lust, greed, self preservation, depression, fear, anger, jealousy? Do I need to restate the question a 20th time?

>Our instincts lead to lust, greed, self preservation, depression, fear, anger, jealousy. Give me a single example of a person who has overcome all of that.

"all of that."

"ALL of that"

Did you read it that time? Understand the question. If your example feels any of those things, it does not answer the question. Jesus fucking christ.

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undefined7196 t1_jada9pj wrote

Reply to comment by Iffykindofguy in Either we're past the great filter, or ASI IS the great filter by Shoddy-Motor

>Our instincts lead to lust, greed, self preservation, depression, fear, anger, jealousy. Give me a single example of a person who has overcome all of that.

Every human who didn't steal something because they were slightly hungry overcame lust, jealousy, greed, fear, anger and depression? What are you talking about? I'm like talking to a 6th grader? Can you even read like a 6th grader? I'll ask again. Directly. Give me a single example of a person who has overcome all of their instincts. To be clear, not one of them in a certain situation, all of them, always. Someone who does not act on their instincts. To be clear again, not some vague statement. Not some bold assertion that people do it all the time. A specific person where their instincts do not control them at all. Just one example. One name. A person. A person's name. For the love of god! If you are saying people do it all the time, then give me one fucking example. Quit just boldly asserting it. A name. Give me a name.

And don't personally attack me and insult my intelligence because you cannot even fucking read.

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undefined7196 t1_jacruzq wrote

Reply to comment by Iffykindofguy in Either we're past the great filter, or ASI IS the great filter by Shoddy-Motor

And again, not a single piece of evidence or even a general idea of how it can happen any other way. Just more bold ass assertions and nut uhs

And no, none of us have. Poverty leads to crime because everyone will take from their fellow man for personal survival. You will, I will, we all will because that is who we have evolved to be. Our instincts lead to lust, greed, self preservation, depression, fear, anger, jealousy. Give me a single example of a person who has overcome all of that. Stop making assertions that you refuse to back up with examples.

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undefined7196 t1_jabfhev wrote

Reply to comment by Iffykindofguy in Either we're past the great filter, or ASI IS the great filter by Shoddy-Motor

We are capable of space travel and have not grown past our basic instincts. Again, you are welcome to provide evidence or even a general idea of a process that would lead to a different outcome. Currently, you are just “nut uh”ing me without providing even so much as a pulled out of your ass hypothetical of another way it could happen. Possibility must be demonstrated. If there is another possible path, demonstrate it.

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undefined7196 t1_jab8hoq wrote

Reply to comment by ForescytheGiant in Either we're past the great filter, or ASI IS the great filter by Shoddy-Motor

Any form of AI will be the product of the mind that creates it. All forms of basic AI we have, has all of our biases and beliefs because AI has to be taught and it is taught by its creator. We could possibly find a way around this but I don't see how. I build "AI" models for a living. You have to train the models on something or else they are useless, the only thing we have to train them on is ourselves.

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undefined7196 t1_jab71e2 wrote

Reply to comment by Iffykindofguy in Either we're past the great filter, or ASI IS the great filter by Shoddy-Motor

> Unless there is some other driving factor of turning simple life into complex intelligent beings other than evolution through natural selection

And perhaps there is, but life, as we know it, can only be a product of mutation and selection. There is no evidence to suggest it can form in any other way. If you have some evidence, or even a general idea of a possible way, feel free to present it.

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undefined7196 t1_jab1tn0 wrote

Reply to comment by Iffykindofguy in Either we're past the great filter, or ASI IS the great filter by Shoddy-Motor

How so? Unless there is some other driving factor of turning simple life into complex intelligent beings other than evolution through natural selection, then this is the only logical path. Not only that, but we also see it happening to us, the only intelligent life we can observe, so we know it does happen in 100% of our samples.

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undefined7196 t1_jaatqaq wrote

Reply to Either we're past the great filter, or ASI IS the great filter by Shoddy-Motor

I believe the great filter is simply in the nature of a creature that could evolve intelligence. They are doomed to destroy themselves because of the evolutionary path required to achieve intelligence. Evolution by natural selection requires selectors to function. Selectors mean death and a struggle. Death and struggle means competition. Competition selects for greed and ruthlessness. Greed and ruthlessness, when given world ending technology, will inevitably end the world. Therefore it is inevitable for intelligent creatures to destroy themselves.

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