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sacredxsecret t1_jbfsfpr wrote

I've been using the same basic Dell mouse on my work computer over 40 hours a week for six years now, and no fraying. What are you doing to yours?

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Gunzenator t1_jbho564 wrote

I have been using that same mouse for like 20 years on and off. They are great and cheap.

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TheJawsofIce OP t1_jbinttu wrote

I'm guessing your work computer is not a laptop.

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[deleted] t1_jbiz8v4 wrote

Never in 20 years did any of my mouse cables cause any trouble.

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Axi0madick t1_jbkk8pq wrote

Even after years of being in and out of a laptop bag several times a week for years? I think most of the people talking about their long lived mice have theirs parked at their desks at home 99.9% of the time. Travel is rough on cords. I go through at least a few charging cords per cell phone, and a corded mouse isn't going to be much different.

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[deleted] t1_jbkmd9j wrote

I took it with me to school and work every time. In and out of backpack.

I didn't strangle hookers with it though. That might be it.

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Erosip t1_jbfy1wg wrote

I recommend the Logitech MX Master. Costs around $80-$100. Great sensor and fast pulling rate for low latency. It is both a wired and wireless mouse. The cable is able to be detached and replaced with whatever USB cable you want. You can throw on a Kevlar braided cable for $30 that will last you years, or a cheap plastic one and replace it after it’s destroyed in a couple months. No cable will last forever so a replaceable cable is the best BIFL option. Plus you can also use the wireless in a pinch.

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shannon_g t1_jbfyuqe wrote

This is the greatest mouse I’ve ever used and a great callout on the cable being replaceable should it wear out. Have the original version for 10 years and only got the latest one because it’s easier to switch between two devices wirelessly

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insanok t1_jbg1yvv wrote

I'm not sure this is a wired mouse anymore. It looks like the old version could be used both ways but the current model logotech sells is wireless only, but can charge while you use.

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Zane42v2 t1_jbghqhk wrote

That’s what he means by wired

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insanok t1_jbgjhl6 wrote

They also said they don't have Bluetooth (I know dongle) and some people are funny about wired mice, gamers, polling rates etc.

There are mice that can be used wired (with a wired usb connection, not just charging) or wireless and from reviews, seems the mx master used to be. But not anymore.

G604 and others seem to still do both modes.

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mimefrog t1_jbgy22s wrote

I have this mouse. It is worth every penny IMO.

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CitizenMyoutube t1_jbgz80c wrote

How are the ergonomics though?

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Erosip t1_jbh4wgm wrote

It’ll be different from person to person…or…I guess hand to hand lol.

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hallpdx t1_jct8jdz wrote

I have this mouse too. Fits very well in my rather large hands. I love the infinite scroll wheel.

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SeeInShadow t1_jbfo2r5 wrote

Logitech G502 Hero. Fabric cable.

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Peeping-Tom-Collins t1_jbg5xm8 wrote

I've used one of these guys for several years now. Still work. Logitech make a solid mouse.

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CthuluCatSnacks t1_jbg64z2 wrote

I love the 502 but the first one I had ended up getting an issue where it would double click somewhat randomly after about 3 years. I liked it enough that I bought a new wireless 502 to replace it but wouldn't call it buy it for life.

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cantonic t1_jbga0nn wrote

I also got the double click issue and read a solution online: bang it on your desk. Sure enough, it worked!

But yeah, time will tell if that’s a BIFL solution.

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DiMarcoTheGawd t1_jbglcfz wrote

That only fixed the problem temporarily on mine :/

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2high4much t1_jbixdcp wrote

Logitech has great warranty

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DiMarcoTheGawd t1_jbjcy05 wrote

After the second one this happened to I moved on to different mouse

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2high4much t1_jbjgib9 wrote

Fair enough. I'm using the dav3pro at the moment. When my g502 had one of the feet start peeling, they sent me a new mouse and let me pick any with the same value. Picked the superlight and now I won't use a heavy mouse lol

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DiMarcoTheGawd t1_jbjleya wrote

That sounds like a great deal. I switched to a razer basilisk v3 and I can’t complain.

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flexityswift t1_jbi3ln9 wrote

I blew some canned air into the crevasses and so far so good

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worldstarcurrency t1_jbg691v wrote

G502 owner checkin in, get this one.

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AdhesiveChild t1_jbo7tmh wrote

The rubber on mine has completely lost its friction and is no longer pleasant to use. Metal scroll wheel has no proper finish and ends up corroding after the paint peels off

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ayechte t1_jbgo83z wrote

Came here to say this, have had this mouse for over 6 years now and still working perfectly through thousands of hours of gaming, general use, and now work!

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IamMagicarpe t1_jbgla3q wrote

Also have one and have loved it. Ergonomic and tons of features.

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qdtk t1_jbi4xwj wrote

Another happy g502 owner here. Mine must be going on 7 years now and barely shows any wear. You really can’t go wrong.

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2high4much t1_jbixbsl wrote

G502 wireless or nothing.

For gaming, it's too heavy though but still a great mouse. Btw I didn't think it was too heavy till after switching and it took a while to adjust

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jrod19z t1_jbn1vs6 wrote

This...well actually mine is a g5 but close enough. 14+ yrs old and still perfect. My razor deathadder prior to that lasted 2. I may have aggressive counterstrike games to blame for that tho

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5spd4wd t1_jbg22dy wrote

Fabric cable - why?

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wuhkay t1_jbg335d wrote

Braided mesh cable cover is what they mean.

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5spd4wd t1_jbg4ojs wrote

Oh. Thanks. Braided with fabric or metal or somehing made to resemble metal?

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wuhkay t1_jbi5q93 wrote

I think it's like a nylon. But I am not 100% sure. I know it's not metal.

Edit: looked again, seems like more of a polyester.

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5spd4wd t1_jbi5zkg wrote

I've had bad luck with that type of cable.

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wuhkay t1_jbi6fq9 wrote

It really does depend on the brand and quality. My logitech mice have been great, but I have had cheap braided cables thet get weird.

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5spd4wd t1_jbi77la wrote

I tried a couple as as charging cables and they frayed and pulled away at the ends. Went back to OEM cables. So I wouldn't want a mouse with one.

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wuhkay t1_jbrqgbw wrote

I have never had an issue like that with a Logitech mouse, but I get the concern.

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5spd4wd t1_jbg202z wrote

I use the wired mouse that came with my HP desktop some years ago. Fraying? No idea what you mean. They're encased in soft plastic, that stuff doesn't fray.

The mouse I use with my old computer from 2008 is the same, will never fray.

WTH kind of mouses have you been buying?

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websterhamster t1_jbfr1o0 wrote

If fraying is the problem, maybe you need a mouse with a rubber insulated cable.

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Roguewolfe t1_jbfx3fu wrote

OP - I share your preference for wired mice, for all of the regular reasons.

May I recommend this to prevent cord fraying: a mouse cable holder. It actually works quite well at preventing fraying, and also slightly reduces overall drag.

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d7it23js t1_jbhhdvz wrote

I’ve seen pro gamers use a different style in tournaments before.

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Dungus973598 t1_jbi02pt wrote

Yeah the bungee style with the spring that gives you extra slack is great

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julianriv t1_jbg6jpu wrote

Razer Death Adder is exactly what you are looking for and it is well under your budget.

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DaCrazyJamez t1_jbghcla wrote

I second this. I have this mouse and it's a tank. Way better built than my old logitech.

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m2hound t1_jbgxkic wrote

Agreed. I am curious to see how the new one holds up. It is no longer a braided cable.

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2high4much t1_jbixnz3 wrote

New Logitech has better build quality than new razer (mice)

I have the new deathadder and it creeks if I squeeze it but my superlight doesn't. Both make great mice, I think I currently prefer the v3pro though

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Flossthief t1_jbh19q6 wrote

I liked the 2013 deathadder but now there's really only the chroma varieties available

My 2013 lasted 8 years with thousands of hours of use

The chroma lasted about a year before the switch for lmb died so I had to solder a new one in place

Then the scroll wheel failed so I replaced the whole mouse with a spare steel series mouse

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2high4much t1_jbixpnr wrote

Dav3pro is better, just takes a little to adjust to the change

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Quail-a-lot t1_jbh23yw wrote

Yeah, I finally upgraded to one of these and love it. The Mini version is a great fit for smaller hands btw!

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JulianMarcello t1_jbv2jup wrote

Agreed. My Razer mouse has been working fine for many MANY years. Enough to see where my finger has tapped the button deep into the plastic and it will likely last another decade +.

I use the fucker for 50/ hrs week.

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svengalus t1_jbg92yz wrote

You might want to look into what is causing the wire to fray.

I'm currently using a wired mouse from the late 90s.

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JulianMarcello t1_jbv23pr wrote

Don’t forget to take the ball out to clean the interior rollers.

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Liquidretro t1_jbgf4j3 wrote

The fraying has to be the surface or pathway the cable is taking. In all my years of IT can't say I have ever seen a mouse fail due to a frayed cable without a pet chewing on it.

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owlpellet t1_jbfyhxw wrote

My tech office shared workstations use SteelSeries Sensei Laser Gaming Mouse. Bombproof, high precision, ergonomic. Fabric cable housing. Using one about five years old, never think about it.

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warlordcs t1_jbg2jii wrote

I use the same and it's been in use for a while, I don't think they even make them the same anymore. I tried one of the newer ones and the side buttons were hard to push because they were recessed

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Xx420PAWGhunter69xX t1_jbftz7m wrote

I like my razer cable bungee, it no longer drags on the table.

I dislike logitechs software a lot now for mice if gaming is your thing.

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2high4much t1_jbixjqd wrote

Moving to a razer mouse, I miss Logitech's software

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Xx420PAWGhunter69xX t1_jbj0wwi wrote

They now have this new G software with their keyboards and it is a steaming pile of shit compared to the older software. Same thing with asus ditching AI suite 3 for Armoury crate. Seems like all software from the 2016 ish era was way better. main focus now seems to be syncing rgb light over functionality.

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bso45 t1_jbg42m1 wrote

/r/g502masterrace

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XxLoxBagelxX t1_jbg6mf3 wrote

I’ve been using a Razer Naga 2014 as my daily driver. Hours of heavy duty gaming 7 days/wk, cord has been abused and holds up well.

Most office mice are not built to stand up to abuse the way high quality gaming mice are.

The Razer Naga Trinity might suit you, or another one of their options. I believe all of them have wired and wireless variants.

Remember that technology is rarely BIFL, especially if you don’t take proper care of it. But my Razer Naga is still going STRONG after 9 years of ABUSE.

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Historical_Air_8997 t1_jbg7crh wrote

I have the Logitech G403. Bought in 2016, if Im a huge gamer geek and use it constantly. I also wfh now and use it.

If I had to put hours used on it I’d assume between 9000-10000 so far. Literally not a single scratch on it and not worn down where I hold it. Lights still work and cord isn’t frayed.

I also have two cats that sometimes play with it. Not rough cuz I move them, but enough that I’m surprised the cord is good. I’ve moved 4 times since owning it too (college dorms and now to a house).

It’s a beast

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fiendofecology t1_jbg97g4 wrote

I miss my g403, but its scroll wheel started messing up, and then i found out that it’s not an uncommon issue with it so RIP :’(

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Historical_Air_8997 t1_jbg9h30 wrote

Interesting, maybe I got lucky. My scroll wheel works great, I use it a lot too. I work in finance scrolling through excel 24/7 lol

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fiendofecology t1_jbga21k wrote

yeah, I did love the mouse tho, I used mine for probably at least ~400 days worth of gameplay on runescape so it definitely took a beating :///

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m2hound t1_jbgx4ps wrote

I am still rocking a braided Razer Naga from 2013. I second the Logitech MX Series or G series. The better question is what are you doing to the mouse to get the cable to fray?

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LeeisureTime t1_jbhcjhp wrote

If your wire is fraying, you need to address that first. Is it dragging on things? Are you bending it at extreme angles?

The simple solution might be cable management, via some sort of mouse bungie?

Or get a wireless mouse with a wired option for charging/use.

No wire would solve your fraying wire problem, but you gotta do what’s best for you

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barbarapalvinswhore t1_jbfp6of wrote

Is there a particular reason you want a wired one?

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hdk759 t1_jbgjgyv wrote

I can’t speak for OP, but my top reasons for using wired peripherals:

  1. I care about the environment. I try to minimize waste and not create unnecessary environmental damage for convenience. Lithium mining is a filthy, toxic business. Using lithium batteries for cars can be a net positive, but for things like headphones and computer peripherals it’s frivolous and wasteful.
  2. I grew up using electronics with cords, and I’m used to it. Charging and swapping batteries is a bigger hassle for me.
  3. Wired is usually cheaper.
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TheJawsofIce OP t1_jbfx8u6 wrote

My work laptop does not have Bluetooth.

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Lee1138 t1_jbg5bbd wrote

The Logitech unifying receivers are so tiny these days, I just leave mine in the laptop at all times. Just saying...

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RandomGeordie t1_jbh2rka wrote

As long as it has a USB, you can use something like the Logitech g pro wireless. Lasts for fucking ages too, and no wire to get in the way.

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ukanuk t1_jbh4pm6 wrote

You can add Bluetooth with a USB dongle. But I don't really recommend that, Bluetooth can get interrupted by all kinds of stuff. The Logitech Lightspeed and Logitech Unifying wireless stuff is awesome though, I've never had any connection issues at all. And it's amazing for transportation, no cable to get all tangled up, batteries last for a year of daily heavy use.

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BOS_George t1_jbhp8va wrote

My work laptop in about as locked down as you can get short of disabling the USB ports but a Logitech mouse with unifying receiver works just fine.

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Roguewolfe t1_jbfwevx wrote

Because the input latency and CPU load is exponentially lower with a wired mouse. That matters to most people, and to some people matters a lot. I am one of those people. You can make the argument that the load is low, and that's absolutely true, but it's still a load, and there's still additional lag, however little.

Wireless DACs on both sides (transmitter + receiver) introduces an additional processing step to allow the radio signal transmission and decoding. Wired bypasses all of that and requires no digital to analog conversion and back again - it just stays digital the whole time.

There are many situations in which a wireless mouse is better - particularly with laptops, air travel, etc. A gaming rig is not one of those situations, and that's why I prefer wired for that. I use a wireless mouse for work stuff. Other people don't care and use a wireless mouse for everything, and that's ok too.

Edit: lol "tHeRe's LeSs LaG nOW" ok neat, I agree, but there's still lag, everything I said is still true, use whatever mouse you want. Putting a battery in things that don't need it is beyond stupid, though.

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PLEASE_STOP_it_hurts t1_jbfzjot wrote

Meh. This is advice from a decade ago. Wireless mice have come a long way. Latency is generally considered a non issue for any half competent gaming mice and the performance hit is hardly a massive load compared to the power of modern systems. If you're spending the money on a decent mouse, you've probably already got a computer powerful enough that it's a non issue.

Of course, if you're on a tight budget, wired all the way. It's cheaper and cheap wireless mice are gonna be much worse than cheap wired mice.

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insanok t1_jbg3ehp wrote

I have a workstation and a logitech wireless mouse often stutters across the screen to the point of unusability. Wired mouse plugged in, zero problems.

I'm not sure if it's due to the specific receiver or a motherboard/ builtin usb hub incompatibility problem - but it's the only computer I have problems with. It happens when booted in Windows and Linux.

A very powerful computer struggling with the bare minimum

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buffysbangs t1_jbgax92 wrote

Are you using Bluetooth or the receiver dongle with 2.4Ghz? I find that Bluetooth tends to get flakey but the 2.4Ghz connection works much better

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websterhamster t1_jbg4hey wrote

That problem is unique to your mouse/workstation. I use wireless mice on my laptop all the time and never have issues like that.

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insanok t1_jbg5z3a wrote

100% and the same mouse works just fine connected to any other computer too, but of all my machines it has a problem with the powerful one.

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Hfftygdertg2 t1_jbgg4oh wrote

How far is the receiver from the mouse? I plug the receiver into my monitor using the included short 3-inch USB cable. Having it behind the monitor or plugged into the desktop seems to reduce the signal strength too much. Your problem sounds like a wireless signal strength or interference issue. Maybe a USB issue, but that's much less likely. Almost zero chance it's a computing power issue. The computer doesn't even need to know the difference between a wired and wireless mouse (unless you install the manufacturer's software). That's why a wireless mouse still works in BIOS.

My computer does also have USB issues. If I plug a USB 3.0 device into one of the front panel ports, USB 2.0 devices on the other front panel ports become unusable. Something to do with the internal cable to the front panel being improperly shielded. As a workaround, I just plug USB 3.0 devices directly into one of the ports on the back.

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insanok t1_jbgiez8 wrote

I already mentioned I think it's a largly an incompatibility between the motherboards inbuilt usb hub and the receiver itself; its possible the one dongle is malfunctioning - dmesg hasnt shown any faults. It really hasn't bothered me too much to spend the time debugging.

Logitech unifying receiver. There's another box connected just the same, right next to it with zero issue.

As a work around, I just use a second mouse and don't flip it over to change channels every time I swap pc.

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Roguewolfe t1_jbg0c1t wrote

shrug

Agree to disagree, I guess. Any amount of unnecessary load/lag is getting deleted off of my gaming rig.

Edit: Guessing the downvotes are all from people using wireless mice whom are getting farmed constantly

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Phrexeus t1_jbgcewe wrote

But having a cable attached is also a source of lag/load, a physical one and actually noticeable at that.

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Chakramer t1_jbgd1yd wrote

This is not true these days

Wireless mice have such low latency these days that eSports pros will use them in competitions where million$ are on the line.

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barbarapalvinswhore t1_jbgeo44 wrote

Almost every professional gaming competitor these days uses a wireless mouse, and I can’t imagine they would be using them if wired mice actually gave a competitive edge.

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Howard_CS t1_jbgacqz wrote

I think getting a mouse that best suits your usage and ergonomics is the place to start. As others mentioned, wireless mice should probably still be considered if it has a usb dongle, and especially if it allows usage while plugged in via the charging cable (making that part replaceable). I use Logitech G502 light speed, the MX Master 3 and a Razer Naga Pro. I can say all are reasonably well built and unlikely to wear excessively. MX Master is probably my recommendation knowing you aren’t looking to play video games.

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zeptillian t1_jbgfkbr wrote

Logitech G MX518. It will not necessarily last a lifetime but I would expect at least 10 years or more of service.

Buying a new one every decade would probably be better than using a grungy old mouse for several decades just because you paid so much for it.

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adventure_in_gnarnia t1_jbgglut wrote

A mouse doesn’t seem like a BIFL item… and you can find one at goodwill for $4

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Kotaqu t1_jbggsv5 wrote

I don't think there's a mouse that you can buy for a life. Switches wear out over time, and if you don't want to replace them, you'll have to get a new mouse.

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Trek186 t1_jbgiaez wrote

The Corsair Harpoon gaming mouse. I’ve been rocking one on my desktop for about two years now, and I like it so much I asked for one to keep with my personal laptop as a Xmas gift in 2021.

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jbot14 t1_jbgjm9f wrote

I've had a cyborg rat for like 12 years. Not sure if they are even still made... Never had a hiccup with it.

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brainwired1 t1_jbh1is9 wrote

Kensington Expert Mouse. Trackball superiority, baby. Plus scroll wheel, 4 buttons, chording inputs, macros, program-selectable specifications, the works. Also, wireless. Or, if you get the wired one, the cable won't fray because it never moves.

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SkyVINS t1_jbh4yjr wrote

.. i dont think a mouse is something that is well suited to BIFL. Like, a toothbrush. Keep in mind you will need to replace the feet fairly regularly, at least every couple years, more if you actually use it *for sport*.

I've been playing hours daily of FPS for, idk, 15 years now, have never ever EVER in my life even seen a frayed mouse cord. Including every mouse anyone else owned, or at work, or casually in any PC situation. I have to think that there's something about your setup that is making it fray more than normal. My current mouse is, idk, 4 years old? 5? and has zero fraying.

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UtahUKBen t1_jbh7lcp wrote

Heck, I'm just getting to the point where I need to replace my idontknowhowmanyyearsold and very nicely named Logitech M-BJ69 (snigger), so will follow this thread.

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firecolin123 t1_jbhaaw1 wrote

Razer Viper Mini is a great option, and it doesn't cost very much at all. It can be bought on Amazon for $45 and they are pretty much bulletproof. It includes a braided cable, and features a great 8500 dpi sensor.

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CopperGenie t1_jbhjtwr wrote

Razer Deathadder Essential has never failed me, got it a few years ago very cheap on Amazon.

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Beautiful-Page3135 t1_jbhptzv wrote

I have a wired G502 Logitech that I've had since 2015, still kicking. It's a gaming mouse so it comes with extra buttons, but I use it for work so I programmed the extra buttons to be copy/paste, forward/back (browser), and an emoji button. Plus as a Logitech it has that stupid gimmicky infinity scroll thing I've come to love oh so incredibly much; hit that button and run the wheel and it goes for miles. It's so cathartic to infinity scroll. It feels really good, I can't describe it. Liked it so much I nabbed 2 wireless versions in a prime day sale for $70 a piece last year.

I think the wired version is like 50 bucks these days.

The cord is wrapped in braided nylon so it doesn't fray easily. Highly recommend.

After almost a decade the left mouse button is double clicking on occasion just from wear and tear, but not a point that makes it unusable (other than in excel). My new wireless ones don't have the same issue yet and will probably see use into the 2040s.

Just saying.

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karma_the_sequel t1_jbi0r04 wrote

I’ve been a fan of the wired Microsoft Intellimouse for decades.

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CMYKoi t1_jbiziw9 wrote

Had to scroll way too far. These things were built to last. Get one of these OP, unless you need better ergonomics like a vertical mouse or a Logitech trackman. (The red imo is much better, but requires frequent cleaning if the ball/contact points and will only last a year or two of heavy use before the switches start to double click and stuff...but so will the oddly highly recommended deathadders. Hell, I often got 6mo if even out of those.)

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Strategian t1_jbi1755 wrote

Which ones have you tried? I have a Logitech G502 Hero, which has beefy strain relief and a braided cable sheathe. I've used this thing hard, an embarrassing number of hours a day, since I use it for work and leisure. Like, 12+ hours most days for the past 3 years, and it looks brand new.

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AbnormalAviator t1_jbi404h wrote

I'm extremely impressed with my Razer Synapse. Cord seems super durable. Have had it for 5 years with zero issues so far.

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stanspaceman t1_jbi72jy wrote

I've had the basic razer wired mouse for 14 years no visible wear and daily use 8+ hrs.

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CMDRissue t1_jbiqe2x wrote

Logitech G502 Hero. Always on sale and one of the most popular mice in the world.

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2high4much t1_jbiwzp7 wrote

Buyitforlife or hateitforlife?

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epradox t1_jbje1kh wrote

I’ve been using my madcatz rat 7 for 12+ years now and it still feels great. I don’t think they offer that version anymore but there’s probably something similar if madcatz is still around.

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tpn86 t1_jbk03ou wrote

Your budget is too large

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roxychalk t1_jbkq6wa wrote

I use this one Steel Series Sensei Laser Gaming Mouse. I've been using this mouse for a long time; double braided nylon cable and zero fray.

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XVOS t1_jbkvunj wrote

I use razer deathadders for more than a decade. No computer mouse is BIFL but they last five years or so of heavy use and are around $50

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AdhesiveChild t1_jbo6z9u wrote

Are there mice that just have a usb port you can plug your own cables into ? I’ve never been able to find one with that feature

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Kingz-Ghostt t1_jdob78h wrote

The Logitech G502. it’s been around for years and is good quality. I have had one (the hero) for 2 years that I use everyday. I use it multiple hours a day and it looks and works like it’s brand new. It’s a “gaming” mouse, and looks like it. But it’s solid and can usually be found for decently cheap, sub ~$40.

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nodock02 t1_jbg96f3 wrote

I bought 12 wired ones from Amazon for my company for $25 total. You’ll be set forever

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MegaDoft t1_jbg9ao6 wrote

Best way to keep something from fraying is not having anything to fray. Wireless receiver mouse like that one guy said

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cronx42 t1_jbg9qrl wrote

Redragon makes extremely solid peripherals. I have a wired keyboard and mouse from them and love them both. They have braided cables. Really solid stuff for the money. Really hard to beat.

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czar1249 t1_jbga2w2 wrote

Get a cable bungee for your favorite wired mouse. Put felt or something on sharp edges where your wire hangs. Thank me later

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Accooler99 t1_jbfq5sj wrote

Or you could spend like $5 on cable protectors

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Chakramer t1_jbgcs7e wrote

I feel like the solution here is to go wireless

Most wireless mice have a detachable cable and work wired. So even once the internal battery dies, you can just use it wired forever

But bewarned if this mouse is used for gaming, no mouse is buy it for life. They have moving parts that wear down, even stuff you don't think about like the mouse feet wear down. I'd suggest jyst buying cheaper mice with the expectation they last 5 to 10 years.

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