Who needs mental health or financial resources when the blue gang is there to just massacre you??

Just another day in the U S A

Indeed.

Lol at people downvoting

This is literally just socioeconomic decay, backed by the same murderers in blue

Don't mind the bootlickers

Anytime I’ve seen cops have to give verbal descalation it’s the most jumbled garbage of “hands up” “hands down”, “on your stomach”, “DOnT move”, “come towards us”, “where are your hands”, “don’t get up”, “crawl”, “walk to us”.

Also I spent a whole summer watching them misuse less lethals for crowd control.

So police reporting that they “attempted” verbal deescalation should be taken with a grain of salt.

the worst example of this ‘deescalation’ is the murder of daniel shaver

Cambridge is embarking on an alternative response to many calls.Dubbed “HEART”. Here is a Dec update.

The HEART team 2 co-directors, an office manager, hired and trained 7 Cambridge community members from underserved communities to be HEART responders (see training list). HEART has received over $450,000 in grant funding (Borealis Philanthropy, The Boston Foundation, The Boston Women’s Fund, RESIST, Groundswell, Policylink, Common Counsel Foundation, Wayfarer) over 2.5 years. The team has raised another $450,000 from more than 500 individual donors in the community (see informational sheet and including the recent $150,000 match).

The structure originally envisioned by the community is also taking shape. We have a small but dedicated board of directors that represent people from all walks of life. HEART has created working groups that involve community members (mental health, domestic violence/sexual assault, communications, grant writing and donor management, research). We have revised the mission of HEART to include research. HEART has received a grant of $25,000 from Boston University’s Center for Anti-Racist Research (CAR) to conduct research on the community safety landscape in Cambridge.

We began taking preliminary calls in January 2022. We have added to the types of calls we take and now the Cambridge HEART Responders are taking non-emergency calls. We are working toward acquiring all of the software and equipment needed to begin taking on crisis calls in 2023. Active advocacy with the City Council and administration has led to City Council support for HEART and meetings with the new city manager which are envisioning the necessary city funding and contracts for HEART In addition to recognizing and appreciating the visible HEART staff, working groups and community providers we have also built an on-going, dedicated network of local progressive activist involvement. Organizations including SURJ, Our Revolution, the Residents Alliance , National Lawyers Guild, the Material Aid and Advocacy Program, Cambridge DSA support the HEART initiative with many tasks

Any evidence that happened in this case?

There was a bloody guy with a machete running around a residential neighborhood. Unless more details come out to support it, I'm not going to jump to conclusions that CPD are at fault.

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What does that have to do with this instance exactly? Were you actually there?

Did you read the article? He rushed the police and tried to hit them with the machete. That’s why he was killed.

Article is biased. Could be right no doubt, but extremely biased “compelled” “forced”

Damn, I was at Fort Washington right about that time. No sign of crazy shiz going down though.

Nah he’s fine hanging at home behind his 3 hour old account

Cambridge PD released Via Twitter that the involved person has died.

love to believe press releases from police, because i am a baby with no memory of past instances of police violence

Yeah that whole site is pro-police. See the people behind it: https://liveboston617.org/team/

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Maybe we should wait for more information before jumping to conclusions...?

Is it known if HEART was used here, or if this call was answered directly by CPD?

I can't believe I'm saying this, but you know this is the definition of prejudice. Let's see what actually happened here first. This doesn't sound like your typical traffic stop overreaction... Something crazy was going on here.

HEART would not respond to this type of 911 call they do non emergency. Also based on the 911 radio transmission linked in the article the whole event took place within 20 mins.

Dude literally ran around Cambridge Port with a blood covered machete, then charged the police with it. Yeah he got shot.

When someone with a machete turns on you, after your taser fails to stop them, I wonder what you would feel compelled to do, and in this scenario you can not let the person wander off with a deadly weapon, it is your sworn duty to prevent that so others are not harmed.

No I agree with you if that is the situation. My point is questioning whether that is the situation in the first place

In today's age of video cameras being everywhere, whether the police are wearing body cameras or not, they have to believe someone is shooting video of them.

Nah after George Floyd + lots of other examples before and since, I’m skeptical of these reports

How is that prejudice?

When anything happens now first thing people do is whip out their cell phones. Especially in Cambridge.

Do you acknowledge cops fudge things even in the 21st century?

Yes of course.

My point is that there are too many cameras out there now and it's getting more and more risky for cops to do stupid crap like that.

I guess, but it hasn’t stopped them before so I still think it’s fair to be skeptical.

And for the record when it comes down to it I really do believe this is what happened. But im not gonna take the cops word for it

I don't get all the negativity towards the police. Are the issues with policing? Definitely. But a bloody guy with a machete was running around. This is exactly why we have CPD and it's not an easy job on calls like this.

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I say this as someone very inclined to believe the CPD, but: as of right now, we only have their say-so that the guy with the machete rushed them. There have been many, many cases of police shooting people fleeing them, and then subsequently lying about the shot person having been attacking them when they opened fire, and even some proven cases of police planting weapons afterwards to substantiate bogus claims.

That's the reason there's all this negativity towards the police. Because police have been caught so many time lying about "having" to shoot someone who "attacked" them, who, evidence later revealed, had done nothing of the sort.

But like I said, my inclination is to trust CPD because they are CIT trained, and I've seen them handle mental ill people in trouble with skill and gentleness. I hope I am not proved wrong to have that faith in them.

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Not that they’re lying, just that you can’t take their word at face value.

I think they are probably telling the truth, but given other examples of police misconduct, I want to see other evidence

Any evidence it didn't happen? The default should no longer be to believe a police press release.

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It's not their sworn duty to prevent anything.

I think we should start by assuming they're doing their jobs. While there are a lot of shady PDs, CPD does a good job overall.

There's body cam footage, witnesses, and physical evidence, and the DA is investigating. If those show suspicious things, then the cops should be questioned. If not, let's support the people who have to respond to calls of machete wielding attackers jumping out of windows.

The thing I don't understand about this part is that cops literally volunteer for risk

Obviously we have very limited information right now. However, this particular website's characterization of the weapon as a "machete" when many other sources have reported it more precisely as a "kukri knife", which I understand to likely be a significantly smaller and therefore less threatening implement, certainly calls into question this website's objectivity.

Edit: Also it seems that the blood was likely his own? No mention of him attacking anyone specific. So characterizing him as wielding a "bloody machete" -- implying he had assaulted people -- is also journalistically questionable.

Here's another source on this: https://www.boston25news.com/news/local/da-20-year-old-man-armed-with-kukri-knife-cambridge-was-shot-killed-by-police-after-chase/YDVSMW5V6FFLFN6XIC7VDZJRBY/

Social media has hijacked the minds of the topically uninformed on so many issues, and either displaced the truth with inaccuracy or exaggerated viral stories into believing they are statistical norm. Progressives have also fallen victim to this, in the case of police conduct at large in the USA, as a whole. What you’re hearing in this sub on this issue could not be a clearer example of that, and it’s the reaction in nearly every liberal city’s sub whenever an issue involving mortal police enforcement ever arises no matter what the circumstances and no matter what evidence has been brought to light.

So everyone that has a job with risk isn’t entitled to mitigating that risk with reasonable safety measures? It’s the dumbest most roundly circulated anti-police rhetoric that’s out there, and it’s all over these kinds of posts

...we're talking about Cambridge, MA, where it was national news that cops arrested a famous black professor at his own house, because a neighbor called in a break-in in progress.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Louis_Gates_arrest_controversy

People who carry guns and have legal authority to kill people should have a higher tolerance for danger and exposure to harm than the average citizen.

This case is fucked up but if you're asking for my honest opinion then if a fucked up badly injured guy with a machete is running at you you should tackle him and risk being injured because you're paid to protect people from danger not to kill.

I genuinely think that if we saw more cops getting black eyes and broken ribs in 85% of these cases then the 15% where they use force would be more understandable because we see with our own eyes that the cops are putting it on the line routinely and not just because it's the easiest course of action.

Like cops are supposed to be heroes. If your first reaction isn't how do I fix this without killing them you're a bad cop. And this whole idea of acceptable risk highlights the gap in public perception of the responsibility of an officer vs the actual job description which doesn't require one to protect and serve their community. That job culture makes it hard not to see police shootings as expedience in the best scenario.

I work emergency services, I don't carry a gun and end up in dangerous situations sometimes. I also work closely with police on some responses...I don't think this guy was necessarily wrong to fire based on department criteria, but fuck me why are you a cop if you can't conjure the nerve to risk injury or worse...why is that not the point of this job?

Have you heard of mace, not being a weak bitch, tasers, or really anything other than being a trigger happy pig? We all know these GED goons don’t give a shit and just murder away but ya know, maybe they could buck up and grow some fucking balls instead of sitting on their fat asses on Facebook complaining about de libs, or wasting everyone’s money standing in traffic on their phones collecting their beer belly nursing home retirement

If a mentally unstable person is coming at me with a fucking machete, I’m going to do everything I can to protect myself.

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Cops have an obligation to avoid lethal force, but the thing is that they’re sopping bitches who aren’t held accountable and have no integrity whatsoever, and therefore have free reign to murder even when someone has their back turned, and shit eating gullible bitches like you excuse it

Gfy piglicker

Are you able to have a conversation without it devolving into childish insults? Really mature.

Piglickers don’t deserve respect, gfy and get a spine you piece of slime