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Harmony_w OP t1_j3o8yrs wrote

I thought it was interesting--not a cop in sight. Quite different from any other rally or vigil I've attended.

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Sloth_Flyer t1_j3odtnb wrote

I think this kind of situation underlines exactly why we should be equipping our police with man-catchers. If the Cambridge police had those, I bet this guy would still be alive.

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thatguy10095 t1_j3ogyus wrote

Replying to Harmony_w (#1,320,310)

Out of genuine curiosity is there any evidence one way or the other? From what I've heard we have accounts that the guy was covered in his own blood from harming himself, showing at minimum he's likely not in his right mind at the time. As tragic as his death is, at face value it looks like suicide by cop.

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biffNicholson t1_j3olowk wrote

Replying to mowhozart (#1,320,581)

yes, what are the other numbers of shoots you have heard?

you can listen to the entire police radio transmission here

about half way through is when the officer calls in shots fired., and just after that another officer radios dispatch saying he heard 5 shots, dispatch confirms it was the police doing the shooting

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Leading-Cow-8028 t1_j3ow6c6 wrote

The cops should have to use similar force. So in this case a machete fight would have been justified.

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TheSausageKing t1_j3oyfuk wrote

Police should release the body cam footage, but based on witness accounts and everything we know is there any evidence they did something wrong?

The eye witness who called the police said Faisal jumped through a glass window with a machete and was cutting himself. He then ran around the neighborhood and wouldn’t put the knife down.

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Earworm80 t1_j3pogy2 wrote

Is there no such thing as a taser? Asking for all the people killed by cops

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SonnyDoge22 t1_j3puc4l wrote

Seems like this is one of the posts where no matter you stand or what your position is, you’re likely to get downvoted.

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some1saveusnow t1_j3pwazg wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#1,322,969)

Lol the Cambridge police who haven’t been involved in a police shooting death in 20 years are looking to get embroiled by shooting someone without absolute just cause….? Someone who by all accounts was doing god knows the fuck what. GTFOH

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Old_Travel8423 t1_j3qn550 wrote

Replying to NabNausicaan (#1,321,838)

That’s a shame and needs to change. From police accounts, it sounds like this was a tragedy, but I’m not sure they did anything wrong. At the same time, I can’t trust the word of cops anymore. Too many of them have been proven wrong too many times. And everyone is monitored and supervised at work, this should be no different.

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WaitForItTheMongols t1_j3qxx4s wrote

While the story from the police is questionable, the story from his family is definitely misleading. Their gofundme page says that "The footage shows him running away from the police, not engaging or attacking them. "

Frankly, that's absurd. You can't say someone fleeing law enforcement while in possession of a deadly weapon is an innocent victim. This guy presented a clear and active danger to the community, and needed to be dealt with. The cops chasing him is what I would hope would happen. I definitely don't want to live in a city where people can run around with 10 inch knives and we all have to say "Yeah, that's Knifey Jim, we can't do anything about him".

If he approached police while in possession of the knife, that's a problem, because it puts their safety at risk. They tried sponge rounds, which failed to make him stop. If he closed the distance, they need to be able to protect themselves - we can't create a world where if I want to kill a cop, all I have to do is hold a knife to myself until the final moment when I strike.

This guy was clearly not in a proper mental state, and it would be great if we could improve our social services to have intervened before he got to this point. But once he's jumping out of windows and running around with knives, I don't think the police did anything wrong. The real protest shouldn't be about police brutality, because I don't see what use of force was unwarranted here. What we should be protesting is why mental health services are impossible to access - if you wanted to get a therapist today, you'd need to call dozens of offices and have them say "Sorry, Dr. Wiggenstein is not taking new patients at this time", before eventually finding one, that doesn't take your insurance, and charges $300 a session, with earliest availability in 3 months. That needs to change.

We need to subsidize mental health treatment and make it something anyone can access smoothly, quickly, and easily. That's how you catch these issues before they go from issue to crisis.

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WaitForItTheMongols t1_j3qzuuf wrote

Replying to Earworm80 (#1,322,565)

Tasers are unfortunately prone to failure, and their range is limited. You need two barbs to fly through the air, both strike their target and stick, and for neither wire to break. Generally, the distance they're effective over is comparable to the distance that someone can get you with a knife faster than you can react. The rule of thumb is that a person with a knife will beat you, if they initiate their attack from less than 21 feet - 21 feet is about the length of 3 long strides plus an outstretched arm, which someone can do in 1 second. So police are supposed to never let a knife-wielder get within 21 feet of them, which is about how far a taser is useful. The police statements say they used sponge rounds against the victim, which had no effect on him. They couldn't do anything else to get him to drop the knife, and eventually when he came at them, they were left without a choice but to defend themselves with their last available option.

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Rindan t1_j3r2xbu wrote

Replying to Financial-Second-539 (#1,320,287)

Let's see the police cam footage then. That should clear everything up.

Oh right, there is none.

The problem is a complete and total lack of police accountability. They might have been in the right, but we will never know because the police's absolute number one job above all else, is to protect the police. That's why we don't have footage of this shooting despite the fact that there isn't a single good reason for that.

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TheSausageKing t1_j3r6g8n wrote

Replying to NabNausicaan (#1,321,838)

I didn't realize that. I assumed because Boston and Somerville did, Cambridge did as well. Googling it, it looks like the city has been considering it. Once obstacle is it violates the surveillance tech ordinance:

> In 2018 and after two years of discussion, Cambridge passed a comprehensive Surveillance Technology Ordinance that at the time was one of the “most collaborative and progressive in the nation and the first of its kind on the East Coast.” > The goal of the ordinance was to ensure city government doesn’t engage in unwarranted surveillance, said then-Councilor Craig Kelley. > While police cruiser dashboard cameras are exempt under the ordinance, body worn cameras are not.

https://www.wickedlocal.com/story/cambridge-chronicle-tab/2021/06/07/cambridge-one-step-closer-outfitting-police-body-cameras/7542729002/

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SethRogans_Laugh t1_j3rr767 wrote

Living in fantasy land. It’s beyond ridiculous.

Functioning Brain: “Oh a man is running around at people with a machete! Call the police.”

Cambridge: “No you racist bigot. Let him do what he wants if he hurts you you probably deserved it!”

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Missed_shott t1_j3s1iu2 wrote

This is right now? If it is then imma head that way asap! -

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WaitForItTheMongols t1_j3s1n3h wrote

Replying to Harmony_w (#1,326,654)

Yes, someone fleeing from the police in that situation is clearly a danger who should be apprehended. I wish he would have checked himself into a mental hospital. I don't want anyone who's experiencing the state you describe to continue running around the city.

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hailfire27 t1_j3snxif wrote

Replying to CatOwlFilms (#1,327,752)

I browse reddit on average 4 hours a day for about the past 12 years. I can't recall the specific post, sorry but I have seen many videos of police interactions/conduct both good and bad on Reddit.

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pelican_chorus t1_j3sqz0r wrote

Replying to CatOwlFilms (#1,327,752)

British police vs man charging at them with knife.

British police vs man charging at them with machete.

British police vs man charging at them with two knives.

That's just the first three hits searching YouTube for "british police vs knife," there are hundreds of others.

Note: I do think that the police have the right to defend themselves, and occasionally a gun may need to be the weapon of last resort. However, it should actually be the last resort.

It's hard to know what happened in this case with no video footage.

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Rindan t1_j3sue75 wrote

Replying to Effective_Golf_3311 (#1,326,752)

"My politicians" have never once proposed, much less enacted a ban on police cameras. If a politicians, who I sure as shit didn't vote for, voted to ban police cameras, I will bet my absolute bottom dollar that it was done to appease the police union.

The police union and their political control over local governments is the beginning and end of 95% of policing problems.

And to be crystal clear, there is no law against police cameras. There is an ordinance that doesn't explicitly carve out an exception like it did for dashcams, but again, that exception was explicitly not carved out at the behest of cops.

There is basically no group of any serious size that is against putting cameras on cops, except for cops, and politicians that have been corrupted by cops. The only two serious groups in the world against putting cameras on police are corrupt cops and corrupt politicians. Unfortunately, corrupt cops and their corrupt politicians do in fact have a lot of power.

Hopefully this man's death will lead to policy change, one corpse at a time.

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mowhozart t1_j3t2voo wrote

Replying to Harmony_w (#1,326,642)

Bruh, no one cares about your karma except you apparently. You’re getting downvoted because of your shitty takes. Still waiting for explanation and proof on how the police lied in this incident.

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Effective_Golf_3311 t1_j3t4s32 wrote

Replying to Rindan (#1,328,089)

>In 2018 and after two years of discussion, Cambridge passed a comprehensive Surveillance Technology Ordinance that at the time was one of the “most collaborative and progressive in the nation and the first of its kind on the East Coast.”

>The goal of the ordinance was to ensure city government doesn’t engage in unwarranted surveillance, said then-Councilor Craig Kelley.

>More: ACLU calls Cambridge’s new surveillance ordinance a ‘victory’

>While police cruiser dashboard cameras are exempt under the ordinance, body worn cameras are not.

Rough.

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Capable-Still2060 t1_j3tg1r2 wrote

Masslive

>The statement said police first attempted to use non-lethal ammunition to stop Faisal but that he continued to move toward officers with the weapon.
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>An investigation into the shooting conducted by the district attorney’s office, Massachusetts State Police detectives assigned to the office and the Cambridge Police Department is in its early stages, officials said.
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>Officials said police and paramedics were first dispatched Wednesday around 1:15 p.m. to the Cambridgesport neighborhood after a 911 caller reported a man had lept from the window of an apartment building holding a machete. The caller said the man was sitting in a courtyard outside the building, cutting himself with both glass from the window he broke and the weapon, which police later identified as a kukri knife — a short sword with a curved blade, about 10 to 12 inches in length, Ryan said.
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>Police found Faisal bleeding in an alley behind a building on Sidney Street. According to the statement from Ryan and Elow, he ran from police for several blocks through Cambridgesport before he encountered officers again on Chestnut Street. When police asked that he drop the knife, Faisal ran toward officers, the officials said.
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>An officer shot Faisal with a non-lethal “sponge round,” which did not stop him, Ryan said. As he continued approaching the police, “holding the knife at one point across his body, and then holding it raised out in front of him,” an officer shot Faisal with a department-issued gun, she said.
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>Faisal received first aid at the scene by police until EMS services arrived. He was rushed to Massachusetts General Hospital, where he later died, Ryan and Elow said.
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>In their statement, they asked members of the public with information or video of the incident to contact Cambridge police.
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>The officer who shot Faisal had about seven to eight years of experience on the Cambridge police force. He has since been placed on paid administrative leave, in accordance with department policy, Ryan said.
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>She declined to say how many times Faisal was shot when asked by reporters at the press conference Wednesday, indicating instead that the information would come following an examination of the man’s body by the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner.
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>Elow said officers are “extensively” trained in mental health responses, de-escalation, use-of-force and crisis intervention. She said the officers “tried several times to engage [Faisal] verbally” before shooting him.
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>“This lasted over five blocks from where we first encountered him,” Elow said. “We tried several times to de-escalate the situation.” The encounter between Faisal and police lasted more than 12 minutes, Ryan said.
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>Mayor Sumbul Siddiqui and City Manager Yi-An Huang, in a joint statement, said they were “deeply saddened” by Wednesday’s shooting. They offered condolences to Faisal’s family and loved ones and pledged that the city and police would assist in a “thorough and transparent investigation” into what occurred.

exactly a year ago, a Springfield Cop was attempting to apprehend a suspect, when he was stabbed in the face, then fatally shot him. Here's the body cam footage.

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WaitForItTheMongols t1_j4fy6c1 wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#1,366,744)

What do you think was mis-handled in this situation?

There are a few major decision points that happened in this encounter. Which one should have gone differently?

First, police responded. There was the decision for them to show up to a call about a person jumping out a window and cutting themselves with glass and a knife. It would be great if we had a mental health task force to respond to these incidents, but we don't. Police are, currently, the only option. So you've got two options. Either police respond, or we decide that from now on, people are allowed to run around town with knives.

If the police respond, then when they showed up, he ran. Some people see an issue here. Should the police pursue the potentially dangerous person, or should we say "if you don't want to be around the cops, you should be allowed to run away"?

Then, he ran at police with a knife. Should they have to wait until one of them is bleeding out before they can use their guns?

I'm particularly confused about this event in the wake of the criticism around Uvalde. Are police supposed to respond to people causing physical harm or not? Yes, in this case the guy started with harming himself, but he was running through the streets and it's not a stretch to think he could have moved on to other people. And of course we can't create a world where anyone can go on a knife rampage, as long as they start by cutting themselves.

I am legitimately interested in hearing your opinion, and if it's compelling, I'll change mine too but what particularly should have been done differently, and what does it have to do with fascism?

Police brutality is obviously a very serious and real problem, but I just don't see why this is an example of it.

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some1saveusnow t1_j4ghm66 wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#1,366,737)

Time for you to brush up on the legal system, and also check the actual police stats of how most interactions result and how they get adjudicated when they become controversial. In short, stop just checking headlines because you can’t see the forest for the trees

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