Submitted by 1Bzi t3_1174nce in Connecticut
Like, who in their right mind besides crampa Ned thinks making a gun into a boogie man is a good idea? We should split CT in half and let those twits who really live in NYC metro create their own idiotic laws so they don’t fuck up everyone else’s life.
My apologies I’ll have 2 large chocolate frostys
It’s too early to be drinking man, sober up.
Taking steps to reduce gun violence and taking steps to reduce other forms of death can exist at the same time. They're not mutually exclusive.
CT has one of the lowest gun death rates in the Union. Is there a link between that and CT firearm laws? https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm
What's your proposal to reduce strokes, cardiovascular disease and household accidents?
we shouldn’t blame the bacon that’s for sure
No one "blames" the gun. We don't "blame" the car for automotive deaths. We regulate automobile manufacturers, enforce the rules of the road, and license drivers.
i don’t know what that has to do with strokes and cardiovascular disease can you ILI5?
Maine, Vermont & New Hampshire have the lowest murder rates in the country yet few gun laws.
https://mises.org/wire/theres-no-correlation-between-gun-ownership-mass-shootings-and-murder-rates
Your source says nothing on gun laws just that the aforementioned states have low murder rates and low ownership percentages. This data really speaks to the intersections of poverty, education and population density.
The population densities of all of the low murder rate states are pretty sparse. I mean they really like their guns in Montana and Wyoming but they are some of the least populous states. Massachusetts is really an outlier it's pretty crazy their murder rate is so low with so many urban areas. I wonder how they do it?
So you admit that there are factors other than gun control laws that are more likely to affect gun murders?
It's amazing what happens when states actually focus on their communities and try to address the socioeconomic factors that are the real contributors to violence.
That said, MA has similar issues with juvenile crime like CT does, so there's still a lot of work to be done.There were a lot of assaults around South Station in Boston over the past year all carried out by kids.
It appears repeat offenders are the main drivers of violent crime
https://news.yahoo.com/ct-mayors-wrestle-data-show-110000079.html
I think they were referring to the fact that those states specifically have what's called Constitutional carry.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_carry
Edit: with that in mind, it stands to reason that there are more factors at play that contribute to violence than the presence, or lack thereof, of gun laws. On the reverse side of things, California has a laundry list of gun laws that include places like gun free zones, yet they were the site of several high profile shootings recently. And before someone mentions crossing over state lines to get guns, that is already a federal crime if you don't get an FFL involved.
Licensing of the purchase of foods, including a two feature deadly food ban. Features of a deadly food include: trans fats, high fructose corn syrup, sugar, salt, and being cooked with or otherwise incorporating the use oil including but not limited to vegetable.
Foods banned by name: Hostess Twinkies, Funny Bones, Chips, Mcdonald’s Cheeseburger, Oreos Cookies, Taco Bell Beefy Four Layer Burrito, and Popeyes Chicken Sandwich.
Foods made prior to September of 1994 are exempt from the aforementioned deadly food ban and can be transferred and possessed freely unless these food items are listed by name in the above section.
Doctors and nurses are exempt from this ban, supposing they can obtain an exemption letter from their Chief Medical Officer.
That should get rid of cardiovascular disease.
Ok you can ban those foods by name in schools but not in the public realm. I'm guessing it's unconstitutional but even if not, that's a stack of lawsuits waiting to happen. Also if you're going to ban these there are many you have omitted that deserve consideration. People will notice the selectivity.
How about a tax on trans fats? Or just phase it out completely over time? The subsidized corn industry will never allow banning HFCS, but I like the idea of not subsidizing corn. The reason these foods are overconsumed is because the raw materials are cheap from taxpayer subsidies. Beef and pork - cheap from corn subsidies - also not very good for you I see these didn't make it into your list.
You're also dealing with a public that likes these foods. Politically unpalatable. Wouldn't it be more prudent to educate the public about diet and exercise? Policy making doesn't have to start and end with bans. Gun policy isn't all banning either. I personally don't like the fact that the state is in our homes telling us how we can store guns and ammo, but I also want to live in a place where gun violence is low. Absent, really, but not in the US, unfortunately.
Im assuming you're trying draw a parallel with gun bans but that's a false equivalence. Handguns are made for killing. Not for target practice, hand/eye coordination or recreational. They're made for killing people. People frequent McDonald's to eat. It may be a poor choice from a health standpoint, but they're doing it out of choice. People DO NOT go out in public to get shot by a crazy or get caught in crossfire.
It’s essentially the 2013 CT assault weapons ban but with food. I know it’s not a perfect comparison, but it’s a starter for the issues I personally have with this manner of reducing gun violence.
Regarding my (contrived) analogy: people do notice the selectivity. AR-15 style rifles are not banned in this state, they just have a $3000 price tag for being made before 1994. Ironically the target pistol used in the Olympics is an assault weapon and illegal under CT law.
Having destitute populations and readily available firearms and you will yield gun crimes. You take away the guns and all you’re left with is destitute people. Addressing the economic and social issues that drive people towards committing violent acts will prevent more of these acts long term. But it’s a lot harder to do this.
It’s not a fix to the issue. It’s aspirin for the side effects.
"You take away the guns and all you’re left with is destitute people" You're proving my point. The presence of guns IS THE difference.
I'm with you on the guns with a destitute population argument but isn't that the point of gun safety? I mean there are destitute and crazy people all over the world, not just in the US. Despite the problems we face in CT and the US, there are plenty of countries that have a destitute population. The difference in most cases is their people don't have easy access to guns.
Yet here we have a representative body in DC that thinks we should just hand them out like candy. Unfettered access to lethal weapons if the NRA had it their way. An institution, by the way, that receives less than 5% of it's contributions from its 5 million individual members. Hmmm, wonder who's chipping in the other 95%??? Perhaps a small group of manufacturers that profit from fearful citizens arming up against fearful citizens who are simultaneously arming up.
Let's help the mentally ill get off the streets. Let's adopt a tax policy that pays to help people instead of sapping them of any extra wages. But until we solve the social issues, let's just keep the guns away from the people that don't need them.
As for the AR-15 I don't understand why people want these weapons. I get people want to plink and shoot boar down in Texas but what is the need for a firearm originally commissioned by the military to replace the M1 Garand with it's large capacity and rapid fire? It really shreds up bodies in a gruesome way. Why does anyone need access to this weapon or anything else like it? Please don't tell me about how it's just a rifle that looks scary. It has a recoil buffer in the stock and its super light weight. Perfect for keeping your sights on target through rapid fire. Great for large mammals like boars and humans.
I find it puzzling that people go hard for the second Amendment but when it comes to states rights it's like No Fuckin Way. There are plenty of states where you can purchase an AR with little resistance. Any US citizen can always move there and fire away. They may use imperfect calculus, but I am glad my Statehouse is making it hard for people to get a gun.
I'll end with the tired analogy of drivers licenses. Why can't you just go get a license at DMV on a whim? Why can't children drive? Why do younger people pay a much higher premium for insurance? For whatever reason we don't apply this logic to firearms.
> Handguns are made for killing. Not for target practice, hand/eye coordination or recreational.
Blows my mind y'all still try to make this argument
Seriously! Especially after the very persuasive counter arguments such as “nuh uh” and “it’s fun”.
Yeah, no body goes shooting for sport! It's solely about killing!
What an anti-2A fruitcake, and y'all wonder why you aren't taken seriously
The first guns were not invented so people could have a fun hobby. They were designed to efficiently kill people and animals, and in the case of handguns, specifically people. The fact that people made a game of seeing who was the most accurate with their killing machine by shooting targets doesn't change that fact.
And the fact that you haven't figured out that that's what people mean when they say "Handguns are made for killing. Not for target practice, hand/eye coordination or recreational." is why you aren't taken seriously.
At least ya finally acknowledged handguns can be shot competitively and for fun too
Is that what this about? This whole time, you thought that every time someone pointed out that guns are a tool designed for killing, they just didn't know that you have fun shooting your gun at a range? We're all aware.
Plenty do in fact think that on Reddit. To those types guns only have one purpose and anyone saying otherwise must be in favor of killing children with their "murder toys". They are the worst kind of social media moron tbh, and there are far too many of them.
Food tastes good.
What redeeming benefit to society do guns offer?
"Everyone" doesn't agree with you, some do. Gun control doesn't get in the way of most people being able to have most guns. Letting anyone have any gun can fuck up a lot of lives.
And no law can prevent the boogie man.
Mmmm.....my mother was murdered with a gun stolen from a gun store that they never reported. I don't agree with banning guns but I do believe in safe handling and following protocol.
The gun store broke the law by not reporting it. ATF requires reports from FFLs on gun losses.
I know! They didn't even get in trouble.
Wow
Crazy right? I forget how wild it was until I get talking about it.
Well having a law that says to people need to report guns that are stolen.... Obviously if people are not following the law then it still wouldn't have kept what happened from happening. That being said I'm so sorry for your loss.
I agree with you! I just mean I think some regulations and laws with guns are good and yes, best when followed. 😊
We have 30k + gun laws on the books. Guns never hurt anyone. Idiots do..
Awww. Someone else who needs mommy's milk.
I know you're complacent with the murder of children. Us smart, ethical, educated folk aren't. Go move to Florida or Texas. Heard it's really warm there
> I know you're complacent with the murder of children.
Lmao
What the fuck do you think we're doing all over the world? You're complacent with that I guess...good on ya pal
Do you need help paying for the airfare?
Yea, come deliver it to my hands, 06259 ✌️👋😂😂😂
My property is a 2nd amendment sanctuary 👋
Aww look at you! Typical republican who wants to oppress anyone who disagrees with them.
Way to go!
Have a look in the mirr0ܡ today friend 😂✌️
Lol. Going with the mommy’s milk is really your only line eh guy? Super cringe, Freud would have a field day with you
>I know you're complacent with the murder of children
Yet you have no issues killing babies 🤣
Oh look! Another one who wants to control women! "You can't force me to wear a mask or get a vaccine, but you can force one to bear a child who was raped!"
FFS, hypocrisy at its best here.
You seem like you enjoy making strawman arguments. Sorry I hit a sore spot for you. Maybe you should talk to one of your social workers.
Who was so inclined to insinuate the topic of abortion?
Do us all a favor. Grow some brains or get lost. Life's too short to deal with idiots like you....
Even shorter for the babies murders you support.
Thank goodness
Gun control and abortion. Where's the correlation?
Ask the small minded folk about this....
Murder of children. One is bad one is good apparently.
>Murder of children.
Are you referring to Sandy Hook?
He's trying to tie abortion to mass shootings of children. It's what sick POS do. Quite disgusting imo
Say that in the next mass shooting thread where people bring up pro-lifers, be consistent
I just made a donation to planned parenthood in your “name” specifically for family planning. Where should I send the receipt?
Thank you for donating to a cause you support.
You can post the receipt here on Reddit. I'll make sure to claim it on my taxes.
You can't claim donations made by other people 🤦
Unfortunately it’s not tax deductible, but thanks for helping a woman exercise her free choice you misogynist twit
I'll make sure to pray for the baby. May he or she be born to a mother and father that will love them.
Your prayers to your made up sky BFF are sure to have an impact.
Also, not a baby.
Don’t like abortion, don’t get one. Support sex Ed and proper family planning, though you strike me as one of those really weird guys who goes to those creepy abstinence dances with his daughter
I support proper sex education. I also support people taking responsibility and not killing a human.
A cell on Mars is life but a fetus is not?
Never said it wasn’t life, but it’s not a baby. A baby has a distinct definition, which means born. Until viability the fetus is wholly dependent on the mother. If she chooses not to be a fetus incubator, that’s her choice.
After viability if the government wants to make laws (which is what Roe v Wade allowed for) fine with me. With 99 percent of abortions before viability and most abortions afterwards are when the life of the mother is threatened and/or there is no chance of survival like ectopic pregnancies, a minor issue in the scheme of things.
I may up my donation as you’re annoying
If she didn't want to be an object like a fetus incubator like you said (lol at calling women objects, way to go) she should just close her legs or wear protection/the pill. All 3 of those options are free.
Life of mother, rape, incest. Those are the only reasons I would support an abortion.
Feel free to keep donating.
Your vile misogyny is duly noted, now go run along and keep blaming women why you never get laid instead of looking in the mirror
zygotes, not babies. But then, thats science, not religion.
Bur we always appreciate hearing from the party of small government, LOL.
Bacteria is life on Mars but a fetus is not. Fuck yeah science!
Think of abortion as protecting private property. If someone's in your garage and you don't want them there, you can shoot them. Now imagine someone's up your ass without you wanting them there. Don't you have a right to remove them?
I have no words on the stupidity of your comment.
Thank you for the laugh you gave me 🤣🤣🤣
What's stupid about it? Pregnancy kills a lot of people every year, especially in America as compared to most modern nations. Abortion as self defense is a perfectly reasonable case.
Shhhh. Don't try to reason with the looneys
Us "twits who really live in NYC metro" wouldn't complain about a split. We'd easily be the wealthiest state in the nation, and your side would become West Virginia, but hey at least you'd have guns right? This is why we need gun control because you'll literally shoot your eye out.
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Goo goo ga ga I’m a baby that can’t think critically
I have a better idea. How about you move to East Palestine, Ohio and enjoy the freedom.
Bullshit - "Firearms are the Leading Cause of Death for Children in the United States"
Just as a quick caveat, they count children as under 19, which is misleading. Also, most of those homicides are younger black males in poor neighborhoods who are killed with illegal handguns by other younger black males. More gun laws aren’t going to change that because the root cause is generational poverty.
>More gun laws aren’t going to change that because the root cause is generational poverty.
Let me put on my wellies here, cuz shits getting deep.
If you think intergenerational poverty is the specific reason a deep & vast black market of guns exist all across america's streets then we're not going to get anywhere.
I'm not retarded, I can see exactly what european countries have done to decrease the black market of weapons while keeping handguns accessible.
As a taxpayer, I don't appreciate that one single industry is allowed to waste so goddamn much of my tax money while they rack in the $$$. This industry makes Eversource CEO look like a pope.
I live in CT for a reason, because of tight gun regulations........I dont work my ass off to listen to gunshots every damn night like I had to in the 4th largest city in the US.
You must live in the suburbs because gunshots are a daily occurrence in New Haven. Hartford had record (or close) homicides last year. Also, European countries don’t have the second (or first) amendments.
If you're gonna quote something provide a source
Why are we still considering children up to the age of 19?
edit: what kind of idiots downvote this? like me providing any single source (considering all the BS news sites out there) means anything when you have the entire internet a click away - WTF
Who hurt you?
We keep Connecticut, you can go to Texas
Waste your time troll.
Time you can spend building up your game so you can find a nice girl/women/man so you won’t spend all your time alone or with your single parent who neglected you.
Talking to someone nice…. That’s your boogie man.
What's the big deal? I've been repeatedly assured that laws can't actually prevent people from getting their hands on weapons if they really want to. Just do that!
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Look up criminal convictions of elected officials by party. Have fun.
It’s illegal to drive drunk, have you ever even heard of a fatal drunk driving accident? Me neither!
Exactly, so who cares what the laws are? So stop bitching about gun control. It won't prevent whatever senseless violence you eventually decide to inflict.
Tell that to King Ned.
Oh, I don't believe it at all. Laws work. Drunk driving still happens, but less. People put effort into preventing, policing, and punishing it. People who might have driven drunk will reconsider because the law makes it a bigger risk.
When people claim that gun control won't reduce gun violence, they are wrong and they know it. They know it will make weapons less available and the associated death less common. If they really believed the laws would be ineffective, they wouldn't cry about the laws. They're just gun worshippers who don't like the idea of their faith being regulated.
There are no perfect solutions. But when we try, things get better.
The people who commit gun violence aren’t concerned with the laws.
Of course they are. Just imagine if Kyle Rittenhouse had had to acquire his hunting equipment on the black market.
Or imagine if Gaige Groesskreutz didn’t illegally carry a pistol to a protest without a permit (expired permit from another state)
I'm not familiar with that name, who did they kill?
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They illegally brought a pistol to a peaceful protest and pointed it at Kyle. To which Kyle responded. If you wanna talk gun laws, why isn’t Gaige in jail for illegally carrying a pistol?
Also, anybody tell this guy it’s illegal to drive through parades?
That's odd. So the law abiding gun owner killed people, but the criminal didn't. You sure this is helping make your point?
He shot a person who was illegally carrying after this person point a pistol at him. Timing and context is everything. That’s called self defense. We’ve all seen the videos and the trial. Gaige admitted to committing 3 felonies.
If Gaige had killed Kyle, how do you think that would look to your point?
It would be another criminal committing murder wouldn’t it?
Was Kyle a tool? Yes. A punk? Also yes. Should he have been there? Absolutely not. But don’t ignore the fact that Gaige was illegally carrying a pistol either. Laws are laws!
I know it’s a lot but the last 30 seconds of this will clear things up
> Gaige was illegally carrying a pistol
And child Mensa candidate Rottenhouse knew this how?
In the eyes of the participants each"good guy with a gun" thought they were stopping a bad guy with a gun.
Why? because both civilians had guns on the street.
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If you do t have a gun, your life is going to be fucked up?
Even if it's not a top reason, that doesn't mean that something shouldn't be done about it, if only to lead the way and demonstrate our values.
All this 'leading' the way is making us the biggest losers in New England. Where else can't ya get a Tesla around here? Only in Neddie's cronny state my friend
Wanna know what can really fuck up someones life? Getting shot.
Time for bed grandpa
Apparently, it’s “Crampa”
This dude is lost. Go to Parler or whatever trash site you nuts use.
I’m here, been since digg u lil bitch, fuck off outta my thread if u don’t like it friend 😂👋
Why did I respond to an asshat 😂😂😂😂😂
Ha ha. The idea of splitting the state over guns is childish. If you do t see guns as a worthy problem you must be a Fox News sheep. It’s a public thread you wanker. Don’t post if you can’t take someone’s alternative opinion. And yeah I own guns ant act responsibly with then but too many do not.
You would be better served on the conservative subreddit gun fetishist
yawn
I don't own a gun. Other people owning guns does nothing but make the world less safe for me, a non gun owner. I would be safest if all guns were outright banned, collected, and destroyed. This is very simple and easy to follow logic. Most people are not gun owners.
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Where were you when those kids got shot, hero?
What is the top 10/20 causes of death in CT?
What is preventable about those causes? And what are people doing to address those causes?
And if gun deaths are preventable, what can we do together to prevent them?
Are we getting a snow day or Wednesday or not? Give it to me straight Doc, I can handle the truth.
Typical dumb conservative with a useless post.
What a well thought out and expertly presented post. 🙄
He’s trolling; he can’t be that stupid.
Chris murphy just cried over this post!
No civilian needs access to military grade weapons. The children of Sandy Hook mean nothing to you. If you don’t like the laws, move.
Do the kids we’ve killed overseas and here mean anything 2 you? The AR-15 was developed in the 50’s-60’s. You think that’s still modern warfare tech you dolt? Bullets been around for ever and the mental health aspect of sandy hook is way more important than what tool was used dont ya think or are you too stupid to see even that 😂
And if you wanna make me move come over to my 2fa sanctuary in Pomfret Center, CT 06259. Will even put some tea on for ya if you really wanna come over and discuss the issues. Will even live stream it unless you’re bitchmade mate ✌️👋🤷🏻♂️👌🏽
Proving my point, maladjusted people with guns should be criminalized. You are triggered so easily by opinions and feel so brave behind your guns. You live an in alternate reality and your manhood is solely based on the weapons you own. Mentally inept.
I don’t have a gun friend and you’re the dolt who’s triggered, come on up to pomfret and let’s have a discussion about it 👋🏿👍✌️
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Don’t tell people that being fat is way more likely to kill you than a gun. That means they’re responsible and they can’t handle that.
Fat, cars, sooooo many bigger killers, let’s keep the idiots happy tho and tell them it’s about 2nd amendment!
Whose time is being wasted?
You can enact tighter regulations, background checks etc.. Bottom line is if someone is hell bent on inflicting harm on another person they will find a way to do it!! Whether it be with a stolen gun, a knife, hammer, or use their car to run someone over. The problem is not guns, knives, hammers, cars etc. it’s 100% a mental health issue. Guns are not the issue!! I’m not even a gun owner!!
Ok but you can't reload a knife or a hammer. You can't launch a car in multiple directions at supersonic speeds. The argument that people kill people and not guns is pretty lame. Knives and hammers have a specific use and it's not the one handguns we're designed for, correct? Wasn't the revolver invented so calvary men could shoot six times instead of once before reloading?
What is missing from your eloquent pastiche is that guns are a force multiplier. How would Sandy Hook have gone if only knives and hammers were used? Pulse nightclub? That psycho in Las Vegas would have had to go down into the crowd and actually looked people in the eye before stabbing them, and before getting pounded into the ground. Instead he pussied out with a bump stock from afar.
It's easier, cheaper and more efficient to stop access to guns then it is to wave a wand and make crazy people go away. So yeah, guns are as much of the issue as the mental health part.
Most gun crimes are not committed by mentally ill people. Why do you gun fetishists always trot out the same old disproven tropes.
This is funny. When uvalde happened, the GOP was so adamant about pushing this mentally ill rhetoric. Now that doesn't seem to be the case...
Wow pro 2a folk really aren't that consistent.... but not shocking
if you can shoot innocent people you have a fckin mental disorder wtf lol you have to be crazy to be able to do that or no?
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