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MGPS t1_jbml0ll wrote

That shit was nuts. I was like 2 miles away and felt it in my chest.

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donDanbery t1_jbmnfxn wrote

Is there anything LAPD doesn’t screw up or ruin ?

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Johndough99999 t1_jbmohf2 wrote

Didnt they charge the owner of the fireworks a ton of money for the destruction of property i.e. the bomb disposal truck?

Never did hear the result, Im sure the lawyers had something to say about shelf stable fireworks being detonated all at once in a confined space creating a bomb.

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Dzotshen t1_jbmp5rq wrote

Aww lawd je zuzz aww nooo reekus lawd Jesus ...

That was awesome!

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Whoretron8000 t1_jbmq4x8 wrote

They blew up 2.5 tons of fireworks in a neighborhood... After taking their sweet time loading it unsafely, playing with their toy robot when they wanted to, then injured a bunch of people and traumatized many more AND tried to get the dude slanging fireworks ("with a street value of $200,000") to cover the cost of damage they caused...

Sounds about right.

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insaneintheblain t1_jbms5jy wrote

Remember the time the US government shot a missile at a residential block?

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kcreaky t1_jbmse13 wrote

Yeah let’s not only create but detonate an ied in a suburban neighborhood

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fossilnews t1_jbmswnj wrote

We do not live close to this - at all - and a bunch of neighbors came outside thinking it might have been an earthquake.

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speakhyroglyphically t1_jbmwocl wrote

It seems to me that the vehicle was not designed for purposeful detonation but just for safely transporting a dangerous device away from a populated area.

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FUTURE10S t1_jbmxe6i wrote

Replying to yogamushroommusic (#2,198,535)

Only a city block? Back in my day, the US government came in and shot up and set fire to colonies, women and children included, just because they wanted to "get paid" and "work only eight hours a day". Entitled kids that want to go and buy from whatever store they want, what's so bad about the company store? ^^/s

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Thetallguy1 t1_jbn6kpn wrote

Replying to Jeep_Stuff (#2,198,666)

As someone who's blown a charge with a net explosive weight of around 20lbs.... yeah that definitely was not 2.5 tons, 45lbs sounds completely right. The OKC bombing was a little over 2.5 tons, and that literally evaporated half a building.

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jeffersonairmattress t1_jbn7roy wrote

Replying to Jeep_Stuff (#2,198,672)

I thought these carriers were basically a funnel that directed blasts straight up. But they mention “close the hatch;” I wonder if they amplified the destruction by using the giant pressure vessel they created.

Nobody asked “25 pounds of what?”

25 pounds of black powder is different from 25 pounds of TNT which itself pales in comparison to C4. These jackasses glanced at some box labels, figured everything was as powder-dense as ladyfingers and ALSO went way over design capacity for THAT assumption; idiot arrogance likely causing some senior nitwit to assume “these things are always over-designed because they think we’re idiots- let’s prove what this baby can really handle.”

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fx2566fbl t1_jbnbbru wrote

I think that the containment cell failing caused a bigger explosion than if they were to light it on fire in the open

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[deleted] t1_jbndnhw wrote

Why did they do it in your neighbourhood? Because they sure didn’t want to do it in their neighbourhood.

I mean if the containment vessel was so safe they should have been able to transport it in the vessel….. to somewhere safer to safely detonate it. So Obviously even they don’t feel the vessel is safe.

Certainly could have done smaller batches as well.

What fools.

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JarredSquints t1_jbng5l6 wrote

As a fireworks display operator this is so fascinating to me. They should have consulted an experienced fireworks professional for the large coke bottle sized devices. Everything else could have been driven elsewhere without HazMat permits.

The resident who stored the product is a jerk to his neighborhood in all ways. But even he could have been asked what those canister shells did.

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grapedungeon95 t1_jbng768 wrote

Not sure it's mentioned in the documentary but the neighborhood is the neighborhood of a city councilperson who was and remains an advocate for defending the police.

It's an important angle to the insane maliciousnes of this maneuver.

Edit: Defunding* thank you commentor

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BoredCop t1_jbngd4b wrote

Replying to KamovInOnUp (#2,198,975)

They are designed to allow safe blasting on site, if the materials would not be safe to transport. Or, to allow safe transport of otherwise unsafe materials.

But yes, if the fireworks were known safe then transporting tem would be the best option. And if they were not known safe, then controlled detonation in smaller amounts per blast would have been perfect. Just filling it up until there wasn't room for more was the moronic part.

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IonOtter t1_jbnkn1w wrote

Holy crap, I know those fireworks! Those are "Profi" fireworks, and they're frickin AWESOME!!!

They're also quite terrifying.

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timothy_Turtle t1_jbnovly wrote

The cop making the "haha someone's in trouuubbbllleee" face around 3:49 feels very relatable

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WikiSummarizerBot t1_jbnsu06 wrote

Replying to Own_Win6000 (#2,199,606)

TNT equivalent

>TNT equivalent is a convention for expressing energy, typically used to describe the energy released in an explosion. The ton of TNT is a unit of energy defined by that convention to be 4. 184 gigajoules, which is the approximate energy released in the detonation of a metric ton (1,000 kilograms) of TNT. In other words, for each gram of TNT exploded, 4.

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Tbagjimmy t1_jbnx843 wrote

Don't want to diminish what the people who worked on this did but is editing newsclips with zero narration really a documentary?

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colin8651 t1_jbnyrq6 wrote

I love the officers with the Arson investigation jackets on.

“This might not be the bomb disposal officer’s royally fucking up. We might need to look into a sinister act here even though every first responder for a square mile and 911 operators would have know in advance what was going to happen at that exact time when the countdown hit zero.

I have been in arson investigation for 20 years, something else is going on here, I can just feel it in my bones.”

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noyoto t1_jbnyzfb wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,199,197)

I think that's overcomplicating it. A regular person would generally assume a fancy bomb disposal truck like that would easily be able to handle 'a bunch of fireworks'. I reckon these officers had the same mindset, even though they're supposed to know what they're doing.

It's not obvious they didn't transport it because they thought it was unsafe to do so. The more obvious explanation is that they thought it'd be harmless, which is why they also endangered themselves along with everyone else.

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noyoto t1_jbnzb25 wrote

Replying to Tbagjimmy (#2,199,753)

I think it suffices. It'd be silly to disqualify it as it is now, but to consider it a documentary if a narrator mentioned some blatantly obvious things throughout the footage.

Granted they could have just called it 'news footage montage' and it'd be a clearer description (but less impressive).

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feochampas t1_jbnzejb wrote

if watching the US Chemical Safety Board accident reports on YouTube has taught me anything, it's that there isnt a recognized method of safely disposing of excess fireworks.

I look forward to the report in a couple of years.

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TheChemistAstronaut t1_jbo2hsd wrote

Replying to Own_Win6000 (#2,199,909)

Resorting to a personal attack, which is also just misguided (which chem BS teaches about explosive TNT equivalent measurements lol?) and linking Wikipedia instead of an actual source relevant to the situation at hand. Instead of being constructive you're just trying to inflate your own ego.

I suggest going and reading the (more relevant) LAPD 27th St After Action Report, LAPD 716 E. 27th Street AAR, and ATF Final TCV Report on the incident, which I did prior to commenting.

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Bearbear360 t1_jbo722j wrote

Replying to BeefArtistBob (#2,199,269)

I rewrote his statement since everything he said was wrong. Clearly, what happened was someone else blew up not fireworks in an open field, after hurriedly and safely loading them. No robots were used. There was no explosion. No one was injured. No one was traumatized. The lapd immediately took responsibility for their mistake and didn't try to blame anyone. /s

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misterchief117 t1_jbo87jn wrote

Replying to resumethrowaway222 (#2,200,035)

They substantially exceeded the rating for the Total Containment Vessel (TVC) they put everything in. It's likely they added too much initiating explosives and were off by a few zero's in their calculations...if they even did any.

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/TVC-TN_0115-508C.pdf

This source suggests TVC's the size they used are rated between 2 to 10kg of TNT equivalent explosives. If the LAPD estimated the fireworks had 45 pounds of TNT equivalent, then they REALLY fucked up.

This essentially just turned it into a bigger bomb with more shrapnel.

The source also states that, "The TCV is designed to contain the bomb while being transported to an area where it can be rendered safe."

In other words, they should have never detonated this within a populated area.

What's really fucking stupid is that boxed/packaged fireworks are incredibly safe. Even bootleg ones are as long as they're treated with respect. Consider they made it all the way to wherever you brought them without spontaneously exploding...

The LAPD should have just hauled the boxes away to a remote site and then either detonated them or use them for a public firework event. I'm surprised they didn't just sell them back to the community and arrest anyone who bought them because they're corrupt fucks.

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EchoTrucha t1_jbo99wp wrote

Not to diminish fault from lapd, but what happens to the person who purchased that amount and had it in their house/garage, anyone know? Libel for anything?

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Archivemod t1_jbo9md7 wrote

Replying to WrongJ0n (#2,200,116)

I think the important factor isn't if it flew through the air so much as the government bombed its own civilians, mate. you're being a pedant, and kind of a weird facebook type to boot with how you're formatting this reply.

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jinladen040 t1_jboen2l wrote

LAPD, enuff said.

One of those most incompetent and corrupt police organizations in the US.

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EthosPathosLegos t1_jboeruz wrote

That anchor man was awesome. Kept putting the pressure on HIS OWN COWORKERS to not just take the cop's side of the story as gospel.

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now_you_see t1_jbofxap wrote

Replying to awesomeheadshots (#2,198,501)

That article is fairly old, this one just came out a couple of weeks ago after they got chewed out for deciding they were going to boot the remaining tenants out of the hotel because TL;DR ‘they were deliberately dragging their feet’ when it came to getting their homes, that the LAPD blew up, repaired.

They thankfully chose a better course of action after realising what a public relations nightmare it’d be.

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now_you_see t1_jbog9t4 wrote

Replying to grapedungeon95 (#2,199,258)

This article talks about them a deciding (and then backtracking once chewed out) they weren’t going to continue paying for the hotels for the residences who’d been made homeless by their actions and the way he spoke about them was….well, he certainly wouldn’t have spoken about millionaires that way.

I assume you’re talking about the same person?

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zendick1 t1_jboh4t4 wrote

Replying to jeffersonairmattress (#2,199,015)

25lbs of TNT or equivilent that is how explosives are measured.

So say for C4 it would be rated for 18.51lbs. For BP it for be ~45.45lbs which they probably assumed since that is what they loaded. The 25 LBS is the rated MAX (though it probably has some designed in overages. But it wasn't BP and they didn't add in the detcord and other triggering explosives.

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Diggitalis t1_jboj6wv wrote

That reporter at about 9 minutes sounds more like a LAPD PR-response employee than any kind of actual news reporter.

Disgusting. She's clearly more interested in protecting the cops' image than reporting the news. I bet her husband is a cop.

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ecodemo t1_jbolr6k wrote

Replying to Tbagjimmy (#2,199,831)

You have to go watch Man with a Movie Camera.

Greatest documentary ever, described by its director as

>AN EXPERIMENTATION IN THE CINEMATIC COMMUNICATION Of visual phenomena WITHOUT THE USE OF INTERTITLES (a film without intertitles) WITHOUT THE HELP OF A SCENARIO (a film without a scenario) WITHOUT THE HELP OF THEATRE (a film without actors, without sets, etc.) This new experimentation work by Kino-Eye is directed towards the creation of an authentically international absolute language of cinema on the basis of its complete separation from the language of theatre and literature.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_with_a_Movie_Camera

Remastered on yt https://youtu.be/xTAlmWEjyr0

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superdude4agze t1_jboo42q wrote

Replying to Darwins_Dog (#2,199,926)

Defund

Big difference in that little typo.

So take a councilman that is gung-ho about defund the police, was instrumental to cutting the LAPD budget by $150M, and then the (as is typical) lies from the LAPD about how they exploded the fireworks in the neighborhood "because they were too volatile" to take elsewhere (while ignoring that the cop that loaded the truck did so with bare hands and not wearing a bomb suit) and you can see there might be a malicious purpose to the organized crime/protection racket that is the LAPD.

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superdude4agze t1_jbopz67 wrote

Replying to noyoto (#2,199,812)

> It's not obvious they didn't transport it because they thought it was unsafe to do so. The more obvious explanation is that they thought it'd be harmless, which is why they also endangered themselves along with everyone else.

Not that any of the LAPD's lies make sense, but "it was unsafe to transport" was the reason they gave for blowing it up in the neighborhood.

Of course it's somehow "unsafe to transport" while being perfectly safe for an unarmored officer to toss it into the truck bare handed.

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prof_the_doom t1_jbp1ak0 wrote

Replying to now_you_see (#2,200,583)

Especially since the whole "dragging their feet" thing was complete BS.

Apparently the city and various insurance companies are still arguing about who should pay for repairs, so most of the houses still haven't been fixed.

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CowMetrics t1_jbp7k51 wrote

Replying to TheChemistAstronaut (#2,199,969)

Not to mention each forework is in its own compartmentalized container. Taking far longer for them all to go off than if they were all ‘disassembled’ and put into a singular container. And then one that could partially contain the blast until everything was lit. Not all explosives are the same, they have different expansion and mechanisms of which to go off

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Sorasyn t1_jbpcp7i wrote

The LAPD are so laughably incompetent.

“Let’s detonate explosives in a sealed container in the middle of the residential neighborhood.”

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Thetallguy1 t1_jbpg8ho wrote

Replying to reflUX_cAtalyst (#2,202,476)

I don't use ANFO, I dont think I ever had. Mostly RDX based explosives. The biggest mistake they made though was when their amateur hour bomb tech "visually estimated," the NEW instead of doing some basic as algebra.

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ashittyhaikuappeared t1_jbpgh0o wrote

Replying to OutOfStamina (#2,202,557)

Goddamnit, how obtuse do you people have to be?

A bomb is either stationary or dropped. A missile is a powered explosive device that flies, under power, from one place to another (it does not solely fall).

You know what the fuck I mean. No normal English speaking human would call a missile a bomb. If English is not your primary language, we’ll, tough shit. We’re speaking English now and adhering to customs of English communication. A bomb is placed or dropped. A missile flies.

Full stop.

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turnpot t1_jbpgvwg wrote

Replying to thunder_blue (#2,199,866)

This is incorrect. First of all, the force from the fireworks is not measured in pounds; even if you're talking about the shock wave, the peak force from that at a given point would be measured in psi (pressure), and would vary wildly depending on where you measured it

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turnpot t1_jbphht8 wrote

Replying to Johndough99999 (#2,198,243)

This is a fun little legal maneuver. Equivalent to confiscating gasoline sold without a permit, pouring it on a building, and then charging the bootleg gas station for damages done when the building catches fire

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turnpot t1_jbpiw5y wrote

Replying to Diggitalis (#2,200,713)

There is a feedback cycle between news and police; the police provide a statement on things that the news accepts uncritically, both because it's less resources than doing actual journalism on every story and because, in exchange for portraying police sympathetically, journalists get more access to information from them. Granted, most of this info is just more PR stuff.

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MikeWaz0wski t1_jbpoe3j wrote

Have some respect, the Top Men of the LAPD put in alot of effort to incorrectly utilize their multimillion dollar taxpayer funded EOD vehicle and then call in every news agency in town before they blew that neighborhood up

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OutOfStamina t1_jbpoj4x wrote

Replying to ashittyhaikuappeared (#2,202,583)

It's like coming in to argue that a german shepard isn't a dog anymore once he attains german shepard status.

I'm not the one being obtuse.

Either the word "bomb" means a superset group that includes a subgroup set called "missiles", or it's not. I didn't start this pedantic thread with a snarky comment about the idea of a bomb going skyward pretending missiles aren't bombs for no reason.

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ashittyhaikuappeared t1_jbpv4ce wrote

Replying to [deleted] (#2,203,407)

Because EVERY motherfucker in this country knows that a bomb is something you drop and a missile is something that is self-propelled. I don’t give a good goddamn if one is within the vent diagram of the other - you’re the one engaged in a stupid pedantic argument.

So, kindly go piss up a rope.

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surfer_ryan t1_jbq52x6 wrote

Replying to misterchief117 (#2,200,228)

Yeah they kept harking back to "imagine if it had gone off on the road!?!?!" But like guys how do you think that shit got there to begin with it just materialized?? It wouldn't go off on the road unless they idk set it off... even then had they bothered to do literally any kind of measurements of weight at all... they would have known it was too much... almost double the maximum capacity... that is straight negligence.

LAPD needs to just take the L on this one, move on and learn from their mistake.

Absolutely unbelievable they are trying to play this off like they didn't fuck up here. Like I get it to some extent but holy shit sometimes you fuck up and you just gotta own it.

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Archivemod t1_jbq5ry9 wrote

Replying to WrongJ0n (#2,201,626)

Because The two things that happened are completely equivalent in atrocity, making the point of distinction one of semantics rather than moral importance

in idiot, since I'm assuming you can't read:

hurr man not hit TO DEATH with ROCK, man hit TO DEATH with STICK! FAKE NEWS, STICK NOT ROCK!!

seriously though, think before you post

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OutOfStamina t1_jbq79tn wrote

Replying to Bdsman64 (#2,203,956)

True (ie, arrows aren't bombs but are missiles). And I wondered if someone would mention this when I said the German Shepard thing.

It's also true that some missile are bombs, and some aren't. So far, we're talking about the ones that blow up. Of all missiles that are bombs, they're bombs (which is tautological).

No one claimed they dropped missiles that weren't bombs. Which... is kind of a case in point for the entire (totally absurd, lol) argument.

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Whoretron8000 t1_jbqye1j wrote

Replying to Jeep_Stuff (#2,198,666)

Oh crap, I thought it was the whole stash when writing the comment. Which was 5000 lbs according to the begining of the doc.

So they added way more explosives to set it off... Only blowing up a tiny fraction of the total.

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Iwaslamp t1_jbr61gj wrote

Replying to timothy_Turtle (#2,199,495)

Notable to mention, but that's actually a firefighter. I believe still technically a cop since they're part of LAFD's arson division.

Fun fact, some cities bomb squad's are actually a part of the fire department. It's an odd field cause their jurisdiction is all their own really. It normally comes down to who gets assigned the budget for it.

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The__Showoff t1_jc5jw0n wrote

Replying to WrongJ0n (#2,202,061)

For one, nobody mentioned whether or not it was the federal government. They mentioned the US in general and the US has bombed its own people. Whether or not it was the federal, state, or local authorities doing it.

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